• to be honest I don't really understand this thread. The 3 main frame materials are steel, aluminium and carbon, they generally go in that order for price, weight and desirability.
    Aluminium frames can be really light, but a bit harsher ride than carbon but equally as stiff (depending on how both materials are used).
    They tend to fill the £1000 bike bracket and are good entry level road bikes with decent bits as opposed to the few carbon framed bikes in the same price bracket with worse bits. But this can be gleamed by looking at Wiggle for 3 minutes.
    What's the confusion?

    Fair cop sumo, i don't think I got my opener right to be honest, it is / was misleading but a few peeps commented on it so I thought I'd just go with that flow. Now the thread has Perked up and it is def confusing. My equally dull intention was to find out if other folk on here thought that some of the upmarket / cutting edge alu frames on the market at the moment might actually be better for racing (either pro or not) than carbon.

    And re other comment from bmmf I know what a roadie is traditionally but it's also used to refer to road bikes, whether that's widespread or not I don't know, I guess I assumed it was.

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