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Ok bb issue looks to be sorted. I consulted a vintage voodoo priestess.
Apparently 68 axles can have different lengths from shoulder to shoulder. Campagnolo especially. I have been given a Gipiemme Sprint axle 68 115 and it is shorter from shoulder to shoulder than the Campag i was trying.
It seems to fit nicely
wow this pic shows up the dust
and i've been able to stick with the Hatta sealed cups as the Gipiemme axle seems also a little bit thinner in diameter than the campag which wouldn't fit through the sealed bearing housing.
I have also been told that the different wall thicknesses of different cups can be an issue for fitting but this wasn't the case here