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@Dammit
I'm having that debate now (Red vs Force) which is super retarded as current Red is now obsolete.
Red shifters are 8g lighter than Force, the Red front mech is often replaced with a Force one due to the Ti cage being too flexy, but the rear mech is a straight up better unit than the Force one- if only because of the ceramic bearings and significant weight advantage.
I still want Red shifters.
Bah.