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@Rik_Van_Looy
Cheers for your input Rodolfo - very helpful
I purchased the frame with a view to building a super-rat - I wasn't even planning on being particularly respectful to its heritage! Here it is with 28mm tyres (I won't be using aero rims or 28s on the final build, but Primato L/F on MA2s - I'm not a monster!)
I then got a bit carried away with things when you compare bikes like this from route canale and add in the existing Gazelle stickers - so I just want to get to the bottom of it! meanwhile, I'll run it over the winter as is and see what I can find out about it
The clearances in this pic look fairly tight but on Josh's original listing he had smaller tyres and it did look quite generous - which pretty much rules out the Gazelle theory...
re: Forks
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I whipped off the forks this evening to check the serial no. and it is indeed different to that on the BB 4854 on the forks vs. 4339 on the BB - which suggests that the frame and forks may well be from the same builder, just 515 frames apart!!
On the original listing, chrisbmx116 said he thought they were from a 60's Carlton - this sort of thing...
I don't think the frame's a Carlton, partly because there are no letters in the frame number, and also because the lugs are far too subtle for Carltons - even the few frames they made with campag track ends like this - Also that style of track fork crown was pretty ubiquitous during the 60's and certainly not exclusive to Carlton - spotted this one on bike radar though which looks pretty similar - http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15879995
re: Wrapover seatstays - good point well made - I've seen some very small gaps on gazelles, but none are anywhere near as big as the ones on my frame..