Epic win

It's obviously very easy to run rings (she's almost eristic in her approach) around people with naïve beliefs like 'heaven exists', even if they don't mean it as literally as they say it.

However, it's not as easy as saying things like 'faith is believing things without any evidence'. Yes, there are a lot of people who profess religious beliefs who in actual fact have just gone down that route--whether from ideas inculcated in childhood or some other way--, but the fact is that people have, and have always had, genuine religious experiences which defy explanation by anything other than faith.

Experiences like that don't mean that from then on faith is set in stone and invariable. In fact, I think it's good (and often-repeated) advice not to trust people who are absolutely certain of their 'religious' beliefs. As is documented in a vast amount of theological literature, faith is often uncertain and often a struggle, with crises of faith very common.

I personally don't find 'debates' about 'religion' between people with apparently very confident and entrenched positions very interesting. My gut instinct would be to think that they're probably both wrong about something.

Debating society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This. Plus, do I really give a shit? I'm non-religious but have had very religious friends and even girlfriends in the past. If you wanna spend several hours of every sunday indoors then go for it. Unless you're trying to drag me in there with you I couldn't give a flying fuck.