• Its a decent machine, just ride it till bits start to break and upgrade accordingly

    ^ This.

    I don't really understand what the issue is with them.

    If it were me, knowing what I know (and prefer) now, I'd buy the alu because of the carbon forks/ahead, and rack mounts.

    But from looking at the specs, you've got a Reynolds 520 frame, sugino cranks, and a solid looking wheelset. So there's nothing topend, but for the money it looks solid and good quality. Plus it has a nice retro look to it.

    I especially don't see why the plugs (RRP ~£550!) get so much love compared to langsters.

    Just my 2p.

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