• i wouldn't get too tied up with brand names,i'm very cynical about brand names in all goods

    each piece has it's own virtues, some brands really have a consistency, but loads just don't

    ford made both the rs2000 and the (exploding) pinto

    specialized uses different builders for different level stuff and apparently have no premises or manufacturing of their own (they are just a distribution/ marketing and design hub like nike )
    loads of raliegh , mavic, miche mechs and so on were made by suntour (or should that be meidia / sunshine / sansin ?)

    raleigh has changed hands many times ruining a once good name

    shimano made both dura ace and positiron

    i had some NOS hubs branded ''miche' and also the very same exact model branded 'campagnolo' , needless to say the very same hubs sold for more with the campy pantos in - but the smart people bought the same hub off me for less with the 'miche' branding.

    agreed^ generally a complete 2nd hand bike is more value for money

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