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I put my saddle down a little to play, I'd put it up higher if I could to ride home, just got the tape measure out on my polo bike, it's about 570 tt and the saddle is right back, and I'd go further back if I could but no amount of googling found me a 25.4 layback, the esb, which fits nicer is about 580, I have the saddle quite far back and it's ibeam so does go quite far back, maybe 585 is about right