• Come on lads,,,,, dont be unsociable...come which ever wy you like as long as you are the friendly sort is what i say leftmebehind ;-)

    Well I can't say I've even seen swains but I'm guessing it's fairly steep.I used to ride up archway rd every day though, but that was on gears.

    I can do pentonville rise fixed without breaking too much of a sweat. I know that's not quite as steep mind.

    So providing I finish work on time, I'll just show up at the flask and introduce myself to whichever group of people looks least threatening.

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