Would you allow shuffle goals?

I have to say, Snoops & Mark are doing the classic passive-aggressive thing: "wow, why are you takin this so seriously", instead of engaging with it.

What's the matter, guys, don't you like a frank debate?

^ Passive aggressive (and BS).

Re-read what I've posted, Bill. I've tried to be very clear with every point I've made. I've made points only as far as I can take them. I've engaged in what has been said and responded as I think I should, or I believe. When I agree with someone else, I make that clear. When I disagree I make that clear as well. With the exception of some jokes, I have been frank. What I have not done is turn to hyperbole. Maybe that's what you mean by frank?