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if the bankers have been breaking laws for 15 years then refer to my previous stance on that. As for consumerism being non community minded...how? People go out to work and decide what they want to spend their money on. If some choose to buy tele's and nike trainers then that is up to them. There are a lot of angry people who are against looting and anti social behavior who enjoy living in a society where they can choose what they spend their money on...including bikes. This is about personal responsibility and conducting yourself responsibly and not blaming society and other people in the community.

It's about both those things. I don't mind consumerism, but think consumer fantasy is a damaging thing.

Also, some people would like to go out to work, but can't (or have more than their fair share of obstacles put in their way).