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the silver one is 1 1/8 and the black is 1", both nothreadsets. silver is 100% brand new and black has been fitted to a bike, then taken off.. un-used really, minus about 10-20 miles. ill up pictures to confirm tomorrow eve..
edit: on the packaging its called silver but it is chrome really.. it is the one in the top left of this image