Stolen bikes

WJPrince repped

mint.

Also good idea with the GPS sting bike. Been wondering why task force haven't already taken this up? Instead of just catching the odd one attempting to take a bike, they could get the location of their abode & resale chain.

Prince repped.

I only joined to ask why the hell don't you guys register the frame serial number on www.immobilise.com ? ???

I have no connection to the site (other than as a user of it myself), but it's one of the few databases that the police bother to check. You can record any serial numbers on there eg xbox etc so if a thief gets caught with some stuff the police can actually prove it and get a conviction. most items and bikes are sitting in police pounds or returned to thieves because no-one ever knows their serial numbers!

What makes you think people here don't? Or did you only register here to piss people off with mistaken assumptions and patronising advice?

err... because I did a search before I posted, and it was only mentioned a couple of times? but go right ahead with your 129 page list of stolen bikes and feel good about yourself.

So you're placing the blame of stolen bicycle on the victims instead of how society reach to the point of making people feel the need to steal bicycle in the first place?

fuck off.

Wow this site is obviously populated by dicks. FYI I actually came across this thread a few days ago when I was looking for something else. I came back to register because there is not one mention of the site I linked to in this thread. For a 129 page thread on stolen bicycles that struck me as an omission that should be rectified.

But as I say, carry on. Soon be up to 130 pages and counting. If the people stealing the bikes don't get prosecuted, (and for that like it or not you need evidence), it will carry on.

Good luck. BTW I'm not a troll which will doubtless be thrown my way in a mo.

I only joined to ask why the hell don't you guys register the frame serial number on www.immobilise.com ? ???

I have no connection to the site (other than as a user of it myself), but it's one of the few databases that the police bother to check. You can record any serial numbers on there eg xbox etc so if a thief gets caught with some stuff the police can actually prove it and get a conviction. most items and bikes are sitting in police pounds or returned to thieves because no-one ever knows their serial numbers!

The Metropolitan Police have just made a decision to stop supporting Immobilise and to support Bikeregister instead.

Wow this site is obviously populated by dicks. FYI I actually came across this thread a few days ago when I was looking for something else. I came back to register because there is not one mention of the site I linked to in this thread. For a 129 page thread on stolen bicycles that struck me as an omission that should be rectified.

But as I say, carry on. Soon be up to 130 pages and counting. If the people stealing the bikes don't get prosecuted, (and for that like it or not you need evidence), it will carry on.

Good luck. BTW I'm not a troll which will doubtless be thrown my way in a mo.

I understand that Immobilise hasn't proved altogether that useful for the purpose of recovering bikes, and for a number of practical reasons the Met are now going with another system. They are determined to make this system the default one for London now (there never was a full consensus with Immobilise). I'm not fully up to speed with all the practicalities either, though.

Wow this site is obviously populated by dicks.

No, how do you think I reach to the point of deciding to tell you to fuck off? you came tell, all high and mightly telling people that they should use a particular system in order to catch criminal, and all surprised that they didn't even do it in the first place.

Why not go to the heart of the problem? why not figure out why they decided to steal bicycle in the first place? why not find out what cause the problem in the first place the hard way because the easy way never work? (creating more prison to house more offender).

So you're placing the blame of stolen bicycle on the victims instead of how society reach to the point of making people feel the need to steal bicycle in the first place?

fuck off.

Well, Ed, your closing remark is obviously out of place. The point that you make initially is valid, as theft prevention is clearly a more fruitful way of dealing with theft than trying to tackle it at the user end. However, the mere existence of a property database doesn't mean that responsibility is going to be shunted to the individual potential theft victim. However much work you do to proactively catch thieves, which is a main priority for the police, and is also the focus of the LCC's 'Beat the Thief' campaign, there will still be bikes stolen and recovered, and the police will be left with basements and backyards full of recovered bikes, which shouldn't all go to police auctions.

What about the old system of reporting the bicycle to the police station with the serial number? surely that should've been enough for the police to go on?

Or does the new system allowed a closer working relationship with other police borough with a wider and easier to access database of stolen bicycle?

Do I really have to explain that, Ed?

Pre-registering a bike provides a certain theft deterrent and potentially allows the police to discover the owner of a stolen bike that they have recovered based on saved information.

I think that there are also legal issues about the police holding such data if no crime report has been made, but I don't know much about that. I seem to remember hearing that that's why the data had to be held in an external database that the police pay to access. I may be wrong on various aspects of that.

No the PNC is accessible by all coppers in all jurisdictions. As is immobilise.com. However, the difference is that if a person hasn't already registered their frame number, when it gets nicked most people don't know their frame number and therefore cannot report it to the police, and therefore it will never get put on the PNC. Therefore if by some miracle the bike gets found in a robbers lair, and the local copper runs a PNC check, it will come back blank, and the owner will never recover their property. That is why immobilise is useful in my opinion. Because you've gone to the effort of recording the number before the horse has bolted! so to speak. It is a good habit to get into. Also for the rest of the items in your home.

My bmx was stolen a year ago and was never found. That is until a couple of weeks ago when a friend spotted a young boy riding it, still had the stickers I put on and everything. He bought it on eBay, guess its too late now :(

No the PNC is accessible by all coppers in all jurisdictions. As is immobilise.com. However, the difference is that if a person hasn't already registered their frame number, when it gets nicked most people don't know their frame number and therefore cannot report it to the police, and therefore it will never get put on the PNC. Therefore if by some miracle the bike gets found in a robbers lair, and the local copper runs a PNC check, it will come back blank, and the owner will never recover their property. That is why immobilise is useful in my opinion. Because you've gone to the effort of recording the number before the horse has bolted! so to speak. It is a good habit to get into. Also for the rest of the items in your home.

immobolize & bikeregister are one thing, but you can always just register your bike when you buy it new via warranty card anyway, generally thats enough, though photos and written details at home are good too.
Ooooppp north if you mention either of those services to an investigating plod they won't have a clue what your talking about.

what makes you think people here don't? Or did you only register here to piss people off with mistaken assumptions and patronising advice?

so you're placing the blame of stolen bicycle on the victims instead of how society reach to the point of making people feel the need to steal bicycle in the first place?

Fuck off.

PFFFFFFFT!

Are you two serious?

(creating more prison to house more offender).

lololololo

^^ +1 Balki

also edscoble

So you're placing the blame of stolen bicycle on the victims instead of how society reach to the point of making people feel the need to steal bicycle in the first place?

fuck off.

I'm pretty sure he's not doing this at all and didn't you start the How to Lock Your Bike Properly thread? If this is correct aren't you also

" placing the blame of stolen bicycle on the victims instead of how society reach to the point of making people feel the need to steal bicycle in the first place?

Just got home after a week and a half away to find that my bikes been stolen from a supposedly secure courtyard (two sets of gates, one coded, one key) with locking brackets set in the walls. The thieves managed to take the actual bracket out the wall my bike attached. Was locked through the frame and rear wheel with a Krypto mini d and was stolen from Mowlem St in Bethnal Green.

Asked the neighbours and apparently there were some issues with the gates not locking properly last week, no one that I've spoken to saw/heard anything and there's no CCTV. I don't even know when exactly it was taken as I was away for a while...

Heading down to Brick Lane early tomorrow morning and will keep my eyes peeled on Gumtree/eBay but be good if anyone could keep an eye out. Not worth a huge amount, but loved that bike!

Was an old Pete Luxton frame bought off here a couple years ago, powdercoated a dark greeny/grey colour. Everything the same as in this picture below except the saddle which is now a black concor.

Cheers, fingers crossed for tomorrow...

From Twitter, @rjamesjones had his bike nicked, but someone caught a pic of the two guys in action. Anyone recognise this pair?

http://twitter.com/#!/rjamesjones/status/87253119595065344

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Is the lock just around the seatpost?

On the look out for a matte black specialized langster stolen from Chelsea yesterday. No stickers on it at all, trying out the stealth look so it didn't get jacked!

Will get some pictures up later today