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alley key you say... my torque wrench is 2 feet long and i still lean on it. I wonder how tight it really is?
Reminds me of a hill in Wales we tried to bike up, it got so steep we had to get off and push -- and then that became difficult. Everyone has a different idea of a steep hill I guess. loose means something, hand tight also, but when it comes to tight, very tight,.. etc. it gets a littly airy. If you're around FInchley, or West Hampsted I'll torque it for you if you like. What Cranks are you using?