LFGSS Muay Thai?

Hello, I'm not sure however to post this in general or Rides & Races, I guess I could do the last if I acctauly organise anything.

I'm quite new to muay thai, and being from sweden where you usaly pay a yearly fee on 10-50£ I noticed it's extremly expensive here (plus/miuns 10£/session).

However to get to the point, I wonder if anyone would be interessted in starting up a lfgss muay thai group. My idea is that it would eb either free, or that everyone would pay like 1£ each or something to whoever is tutor for the session, who would be the one with most knowledge.

Either it could be done in a common/park/parking place, or if someone have access to a space to use. I suppose we would do warmup on bike, and maybe also practice whatever street situation you might get into when ridin london alone a friday night.

As I said I'm quite new to muay thai, but if noone that would show up have more knowledge than me I suppose I would try to do my best to lead the class, even thou I hope there will be someone that been doing it a bit longer.

Is anyone, with or without experience of muay thai interessted of coming if I start something up? any ideas/suggestions/comments?

Either it could be done in a common/park/parking place, or if someone have access to a space to use. I suppose we would do warmup on bike, and maybe also practice whatever street situation you might get into when ridin london alone a friday night.

It seems like you are talking about a self defense group. Definetely a cool idea. But rather distant from muay thai. Muay thai being a sport fighting style which relies on specific traits & skills which many people who would enjoy/find useful a self defense/grapple group may not have. Like the ability to kick high.

It also requires gloves.

Many things which actually make it unrealistic as a self defense method and excludes people from a potentially good little club idea.

Why not just have a mixed martial arts/grappling/self defence club outdoors for anyone who wants to show. Practice hand trapping, throws, submissions & escapes and some basic realistic striking.

By the way, I would be totally up for this but am not in London.

Well, I made it sounds wrong I suppose. It's muay thai I'm talking. If it would turn to a "boxercise" or a self defence club I'd leave dead stright. Even thou, if anyone experienced in kick boxing, MMA, boxing or simular would turn up I'd gladly hand that session over to him.

As for the self defence, as far as I'm concernd, it will sure give you an advantage to be a thai fighter when you get attacked/into a fight in other way. But when having a bike you might have an advantage of a quite massive, but yet legal weapon (bike/lock), or it might give a disadvantage that you need to learn to get around quickly (for example if you drop the bike it might get nicked).

For what you need to wear when traning.. trouses, t-shirt and bandages. If I get it going and get some donations/minimal profit form fees I will try to use to to buy gloves/pads/etc. to lend out during sessions.

Why not just have a mixed martial arts/grappling/self defence club outdoors for anyone who wants to show. Practice hand trapping, throws, submissions & escapes and some basic realistic striking.

There's quite few people on here after grappling.

Knife disarming & evading gangs would probably be the most valuable thing for around london too, but it has fuck all to do with muay thai.

Well, Knife disarms would also be the most unrealistic thing you could ever train.

YouTube- Paul Vunak - Knife Defence

Anyway, I am doing Wing Chun and would be happy to share some techniques or so even though that might interest noone. I do know some kali stick drills if anyone is interested?
Otherwise I'd be really up for learning some basic grappling and submission wrestling if someone should teach that.
Also would be up for just some simple technical kickbox style sparring with maybe 50% intensity, throws, wearing gloves and mouthguard.

Regardless of which style, classes are expensive as you normally are taught (and should be)by an experienced instructor. This is particularly important in sparring, so as to keep an eye on what is going on!

As to which style is most relevant in London - a ballpoint pen and/or the ability to run fast should win every time!

My money is on running fast, unless I have a bike with me, then I cycle faster :)

LFGSS - run club?

Like the ability to kick high. It also requires gloves.
Many things which actually make it unrealistic as a self defense method and excludes people from a potentially good little club idea.

muay thai is a martial art that requires dedication and training. the high kicking comes with time; some people have to stretch out for years before you can kick at head level, some can do it right away.

and here's a tip: don't use gloves when street fighting.

muay thai's an excellent self-defense martial art. it's absolutely lethal. and a lot of fun.

you cannot learn muay thai without gloves and pads though. you have to learn how to punch/kick with force and to connect at the right time, and that's something only padwork can do.

Go to your local leisure centre and hire a squash court for say 90 minutes at a cost of around £15, you can fit around 8 people to train there and split the costs evenly.

Mate you can't teach martial arts after having done a few lessons.
That's not only dangerous but incredibly naive. I've been doing martial arts including Muay Thai for around 20 years (albeit more off than on in the past couple of years) and I still wouldn't want to instruct. You need to know about safety in training more than anything, and I'm guessing you don't, so this would be dangerous to you and other people.
Also, without the years of knowledge, you'd be teaching bad techniques which will probably do more harm than good in many ways.

It's one thing to train, but without proper knowledge, you'd pick up all sorts of bad habits.

Would you become a cycle instructor if you had just learned to ride a bike?

Wicksie, good point. Unless someone on here is an instructor it wouldn't be teaching, I guess.

Still, I could learn a lot from anyone with even the slightest grappling experience I guess, and a nice little techincal sparring round or basic pad work wouldn't hurt up anyone, even for basic fitness and getting the feeling of punching something ...

After 20 years though, you should be good enough to share at least some techniques, no?

I'm quite anti amateur sparring, pad work etc. as there is a lot of potential for people to get hurt, even to yourself from punching / kicking incorrectly. I'm not licensed or insured to teach, and apparently I'm now old and sensible.
This isn't something I would want to get involved in, sorry.
Plus I'm 'retired' ;)

Maybe contact an instructor for a LFGSS martial arts session if you have enough members. Find a place, get definite numbers, and approach him with a figure?

Maybe contact an instructor for a LFGSS martial arts session if you have enough members. Find a place, get definite numbers, and approach him with a figure?

I heard KO do that, if any people are interessted I'm sure in.

Bill Judd is excellent. I'd sure go to his classes again.

It seems like you are talking about a self defense group. Definetely a cool idea. But rather distant from muay thai. Muay thai being a sport fighting style which relies on specific traits & skills which many people who would enjoy/find useful a self defense/grapple group may not have. Like the ability to kick high.

It also requires gloves.

Many things which actually make it unrealistic as a self defense method and excludes people from a potentially good little club idea.

Why not just have a mixed martial arts/grappling/self defence club outdoors for anyone who wants to show. Practice hand trapping, throws, submissions & escapes and some basic realistic striking.

By the way, I would be totally up for this but am not in London.

Disagree. Of course you're not going to use "sport" Muay Thai, any more than you will use "sport" BJJ, judo, wrestling or boxing. It's the experience pressure-testing a martial art under live sparring conditions (albeit under a restricted ruleset) that makes a martial art useful.

So any martial art which does have genuinely 'live' sparring, be it grappling or striking, will stand you in good stead. Any which doesn't is worse than useless because it may inculcate a false sense of your self defence ability.

If I were any of the posters expressing an interest, I'd get myself down to the nearest decent MMA/BJJ/Muay Thai gym and sign up. You'll generally get unlimited training in all of these arts for £70-£90 a month. London has long been blessed with some top Muay Thai clubs, but in recent years we also have some of the best BJJ players in the world teaching in the UK. Roger Gracie (world champ) has gyms all over London; Braulio Estima (world champ) is based in Brum but is in London occasionally. Not forgetting my club, Carlson Gracie London with multiple European Champions. OOssss!

Erm, I think DFP knows what he's talking about thankyouverymuch.

peculiar dead-end thread wakeup ...

Erm, I think DFP knows what he's talking about thankyouverymuch.

LOL.

Anyone who (a) talks about "hand-trapping" as a vital self defence skill and (b) denigrates muay thai as a valid self defence tool suggests to me that perhaps they don't know as much as you think.

there's a chap i train with at the real fight club on curtain rd that might be interested in doing a class, i usually train 1 on 1 with him but he might be up for a bigger class. what kinna numbers would we be talking?

Dammitall, I thought this was a food related clarion call. Getting beat up instead of eating Galangal and Thai Basil.... I'm out.

If anyone genuinely want to learn muay thai, get in touch. I have been training 5 years and have professional level ring experience in england+thailand. I also used to teach the Bristol University club which was ace.

And to comment on the above. MT is not self defence and it never meant to be. Its no different to boxing, its a sport fought under a set of rules that make it unrealistic to what you would get in a street situation. Having said that, if you train a lot and fight in the ring, you are going to get hard as nails, know how to slip a punch and deliver one with accuracy and power. You will also have a keener eye and be able to react a lot quick than average joe.

And anyways, if you REALLY want to be good at self defence, I suggest you take up track running. You ain't gonna get hit if you can run sub 11 second 100m.