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So what do we conclude from all this then? As a forum noob I've been listening and listening well. Thusly I've steered well clear of Contis and opted for many other options such as Maxxis Refuses (only defeated by what must have been a machete hiding in a puddle), Armadillos (bombproof but a bit plasticky in feel).... but what of Contis? Is it a batch thing? Went home to Norfolk at the weekend and dropped in to Mick Madgett's bike shop (he's a legend and something of a guru, he wouldn't remember me but my first three bikes came from his shop and I get a bit misty eyed walking into that place) what did the man himself recommend? Gatorskins of course. Couldn't understand my prejudice, but happily sold me some Rubinos instead (so far so good, roll and grip brilliantly, spray less kak up my arse in the wet and cheap so no big cry if they do hit something big and sharp).
I am confuse! But Hippy (a man I've never met but am compelled to listen to) says no - so no it is.