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using the effing search gave me no exisiting threads ,however, please feel free to merge this with any other threads related to consumer goods queries
I am after an mp3 player as hate using my phone, the UI is gash (Desire) as it doesn't allow you to go back to the previous view...oh loads of annoyances and my phone headphone socket is becoming wobbly and cutting out, which is pretty shit on a year old handset. And I prefer having something that just does what it does so I don't have to worry about treating it ok - I just want an 8Gb player - have had Creative before and like drag and drop, so rather not Apple
So there you go....any reccos?