Referendum on AV

i was offended by the blatant attempt to sell me some ropey cycling top.

consumerist whore!

That must be it. It was around the time I got tired of Hippy's attempts to groom me.

Vote YES though

Obviously

As far as I can see the only two reasons not to have AV are;

1) The BNP will be elected in parliament; and
2) Nothing will get done due to to indecision.

As Oliver said earlier, I don't think inaction/deadlock is that much of a problem in a stable country. Plus imo the difference between the parties is so small, I can't see that it makes that much difference.

As for the BNP... it is what it is. If northerns are all a bunch of bigots, let their view be represented.

As far as I can see the only two reasons not to have AV are;

1) The BNP will be elected in parliament; and
2) Nothing will get done due to to indecision.

As Oliver said earlier, I don't think inaction/deadlock is that much of a problem in a stable country. Plus imo the difference between the parties is so small, I can't see that it makes that much difference.

As for the BNP... it is what it is. If northerns are all a bunch of bigots, let their view be represented.

Those 2 "facts" aren't actually facts - they've been made up.

I guess the main point is that it allows you to vote for someone even if you reckon they don't have a chance of getting in - because you put someone else number 2 who may have a chance; ie it allows you to vote for who you want to vote for without the fear of your vote being wasted.

if the BNP get enough votes to win seats in parliament then they should get them.

i am fundamentally opposed to pretty much everything the BNP stand for, and think nick griffin personally is a manipulative, bigoted, racist, ignorant, hate-inciting fat cunt, but we have to respect their right to free speech and their right to seats in parliament should they win the votes.

+1

I'm not sure they'll get in if we do all say yes in this referendum. Will 50% of a constituency really have them as 1st choice? If not, then in the next round are people from other parties likely to have them as their 2nd preference? I doubt it.

Just checked as I wasn't sure of my memory, but the BNP are backing the 'no' vote.

That must be it. It was around the time I got tired of Hippy's attempts to groom me.

Attempts.. attempts.. do I need to send you the photos from that night?

Found my voting card whatsit! Polling station is just a little way down the road! #win

I never got the email...have I been banned? It's about time, tbh

me neither,

also i did like in i think Finchley? the John Barns Waitrose anyway on Saturday was a No campaigner with a poster reading

''we want library's, not AV'' or smiler. i just though ''but the torys closed them all right?''

The email list is this one:

http://www.lfgss.com/lists.php

a No campaigner with a poster reading

''we want library's, not AV'''

If he had a library, he would have access to a dictionary.

The largest vote for the BNP in 2010 was 14.6% for Griffin himself in Dagenham.

Just checked as I wasn't sure of my memory, but the BNP are backing the 'no' vote.

all of which just serves to further the stupidity of the campaign that seems to make people think that AV is somehow the BNP's secret weapon, and that they will take over every working class constituency in england...

Vote YES bitches!

Don't you like coffee any more?

He wants better representation by the Iced Coffee party in Parliament as they have policies aimed directly at fulfilling his needs in a drink based government that the jack of all trades master of none 'Coffee' party just can't deliver.

I mean lets face it these days they just pander to the White Chocolate Hazelnut Mocha Soy Latte Frappucino with nutmeg and nescafe gold blend's of this world, where's the provision for those of us on mid-range incomes who want to just have a simple decent coffee and if times are good a pain au chocolate eh?

and we all know their immigration policy on Iced Coffee is extremely sketchy if not borderline racist.

On the BNP, AV is bad for them, which is why they are backing no.

They will probably do less well under AV, as fewer people will select them as a second choice. But it does mean other parties will have to work harder to stop votes going to the BNP. This is no bad thing though.

Vote for http://jimmysicedcoffee.com/

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Vote YES. LFGSS made you do it.

Reasons to vote YES today:

MPs will need to get 50% of your votes. At the moment you can get a 'majority' with less than 50% of the vote.

AV allows you to vote for more than one party. This is good if you don't feel a particular allegiance to any one party. We have complex identities these days, we are less tribal, and AV recognises this.

The Conservatives are opposing AV for two reasons. 1 - they are inherently conservative (with a small c, note) and opposed to change. 2 - the current electoral system is in their interest. They fear that if AV goes through there will never be a Conservative majority in Britain again. Their supporters will see it as a major failure by Cameron. Which brings me on to my next point...

Because of the importance they place on a no vote, the Conservatives have mobilised massive amounts of resources for the no campaign, not just money, but their supporters. A Tory supporter we know has been campaigning for no despite admittedly being 'meh' on AV. She was campaigning for the no campaign because she felt it was her party duty. Meanwhile the yes campaign have struggled for resources and not received the support from both Labour and, ironically, the Lib Dems, that they were promised.

The no campaign has resorted to dirty tricks, scaremongering and downright lies. For example, leaflets for the no campaign have stated 'One person one vote' - both systems give one person one vote - and 'None of your taxes have been used to print this leaflet', suggesting that the yes campaign has been getting funding from the tax payer, when neither campaign has got government funding (which is arguably why it has ended up so skewed).

Finally, and fundamentally, do you want to vote for the status quo, or change for the better? The no campaign has been trying to scare everyone into voting no using the 'change is bad' argument. AV is better. It's a more modern, effective, fairer system. It's not as good as PR, but it is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately the no campaign has successfully muddied the waters, claiming the system is complicated (it isn't), it's a step in the wrong direction, they've used Nick Clegg's unpopularity as a stick to beat it with, but more than anything they've had more money and resource to throw at the campaign, so it hasn't been a fair fight.

A simple, easy to follow explanation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHuiDD_oTk

Not that simple.

Linky no work.