I really dislike the amount of victim blaming going on in this thread, especially in response to the apparent involvement of "lovely" Hells Angels. Should we stop showing any response to other road users, or in fact any person, breaking laws or social norms in fear of bringing intimidation and violence onto ourselves, or receive blame from peers that clearly this has been brought upon yourself.
Whatever happened, it seems pretty obvious the bikers went beyond was inexcusable behaviour.
I'm not apologising for their behaviour, I'm throwing doubt on the accuracy of the story as originally told.
The basis for doing so is just twofold from my perspective:
1) A new member whom no-one really knows posted a second-hand story.
2) My own personal experiences of people in the group the story targets is in opposition to the portrayal in the story (of an unprovoked attack on an even-mannered gentleman).
If some people (be they motorcyclists, Hells Angels or anyone) truly kicked the shit out of someone (which doesn't even sound true, no hospital visit needed so not even broken skin involved), then of course it should be condemned.
But right now, we have the hearsay of one new member without it being credibly backed up in any way, standing against the experiences of several long established members including myself whose experiences stand in stark contrast.
So it's in no way victim blaming or being apologists for anyone who might have done something, it's very heavily questioning the truthfulness and accuracy of the told story.
The second post asked the right question, what are the police doing? But as far as we know, the police haven't been approached. Even though E&C is heavily covered with cameras and it would be incredibly easy to trace them using such footage.
In fact, as far as we know the only reaction is a guy goes onto a cycling forum to jump and shout. Well, that's an effective way of dealing with things as we all know.
I'm not apologising for their behaviour, I'm throwing doubt on the accuracy of the story as originally told.
The basis for doing so is just twofold from my perspective:
1) A new member whom no-one really knows posted a second-hand story.
2) My own personal experiences of people in the group the story targets is in opposition to the portrayal in the story (of an unprovoked attack on an even-mannered gentleman).
If some people (be they motorcyclists, Hells Angels or anyone) truly kicked the shit out of someone (which doesn't even sound true, no hospital visit needed so not even broken skin involved), then of course it should be condemned.
But right now, we have the hearsay of one new member without it being credibly backed up in any way, standing against the experiences of several long established members including myself whose experiences stand in stark contrast.
So it's in no way victim blaming or being apologists for anyone who might have done something, it's very heavily questioning the truthfulness and accuracy of the told story.
The second post asked the right question, what are the police doing? But as far as we know, the police haven't been approached. Even though E&C is heavily covered with cameras and it would be incredibly easy to trace them using such footage.
In fact, as far as we know the only reaction is a guy goes onto a cycling forum to jump and shout. Well, that's an effective way of dealing with things as we all know.
Is this resolved yet?