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went to my uncle's and he showed me these beauties, any help with vague year/value would be lovely. looked into both, cant find much info on oscar egg frames, but i know that it's super light and pretty old, since he died in 1961. the bates was built in 75-77 for a woman named merrid, had zeus solid rubber tyres! so no help needed on the year for that, but i dont know whether it's horace bates or e g bates.
thanks