Unkown v2 or BB17 charmer?

Which frame do you guys reckon????

Both are awesome sweet:

The unknown is pretty awesome, with its neg bb...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lrcCb0XuPJo/TZ6VieYf-lI/AAAAAAAAABo/I-OGoQMLrOA/s1600/henryho.jpg

But the bb17 has a nicer sloping tt..... But that seat tube looks like it could be brittle.....
http://www.theheavypedal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/charmer_bike_check_0001.jpg

Opinions?

BB17 so looks SO hot!

But both will be impecible

charmer looks waaay nicer imo

Charmer is ridiculously nice looking..
Nice decals, geo and colour coordinations

frame number 2 looks slightly better, nice cutout, wank shade of blue though

Ye I reckon im gna go for the charmer, but it is more expensive..... anyone wanna order from us to cheapen my postage? :)

ooh i might be.
what shop is it?

i will probs order from shopcultur or straight from breakbrake17- they do sell other stuff other than their own if you had something specific in mind :)

well i kinda want some yowelli bars and the unknown spline drive spocket..

ah ok, well check out shopcultur.com they sell the yowellis there-im sure the unknown sprocket too.

How soon were u thinking?

well when were you going to order?

realistically, like the 9th/10th of may? Gotta wait for monies to hit my account :) Sound good to you as well?

How much is the charmer? it wont show the price or picture.

the charmer is £300 i think, the unknown is £230. I think these are the prices... Shopcultur.com shows the prices though.

yeah that should be good...
damn the charmer is so damn tempting..

haha. awesome. U get one i get the other and we do a swap every other week like separated parents? RepPrEsSeD MeMoRiEs.... :)

Ha. Well we shall see which one I get and ur welcome for a ride if you come pick ur bits up in person if you live in london. Otherwise we can sort out postage. Send me a pm with ur mob no and I will send u a text/ give u a ring when im coming close to making the order and we can discuss money and so on.

Haha yeah!

Yeah im in london so we'll sort something out

if you want to go and ride with pegs, as i am sure you will eventually want to, a negative bb is the thing to have and the 14mm dropouts

hm i kinda want a bit more of a slope on the tt than u get with the unknown though... but i guess with the neg bb it would feel as short as a posi bb with sloping bb...?

i'm no longer up to date with the tricks scene, are both these frames 26" specific?

The unknown is supposedly 26/700c compatible and the charmer is 700c

i dont know if the unknown is going to be comfortable, its quite a bit smaller than my current 56 cutter, i guess i will find out when they finally arrive, been waiting since december i think

is the ESB no longer the "trick-frame-to-have" ? especially with that new version that oscar's riding.

If you have a million pounds to waste then yeh I guess ;)

well the tig version of the frame is only 350.