• I met a guy in Queens Park a while ago who had stopped to have coffee post-Richmond who had a brandless Chinese frame - he had had it as his 'training bike' for over a year and was really pleased with it, rode nicely, well made etc etc and cost him £250 for the f+f, which meant that he had managed to build it up with Force for under £1000 - granted, he had the saddle, seatpost etc spare.

    It actually looked really nice in person too, I was quite shocked. I had assumed it was a nice frame that had been de-badged or whatever.

    However, when you think about it, £1000 is roughly what a planet x costs with Force - and I think (even though I fucking HATE their graphics) that I would rather buy a complete from them or ribbble that had a warranty. You'd probably get better vfm on the wheels if you did it yourself though.

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