Wanted: Japanese cranks njs quality

Hi all,

I am after, with no rush, some Japanese track cranks (Sugino 75, dura ace,suntour superbe,sugino supermighty etc...) they must be 165mm but no necessarily NJS.

If you have a chainring (47t,48,49t) I am interested in that as well.

Good/decent condition.

Let me know what you have,

Ta

FOUND THEM

Price-range?

what is NJS quality?

but no necessarily NJS

A set of Superbe Pros sold on eBay for £60 last week. Obviously of no use to you but still.

what is NJS quality?

but no necessarily NJS

I didnt know how to explain it...basically not any japanese cranks,but something top end.
Some cranks that are not sugino messenger, rd2 or miche!

I didnt know how to explain it...basically not any japanese cranks,but something top end.
Some cranks that are not sugino messenger, rd2 or miche!

well ur mate dave just sold his 75 crank maybe u should talk to each other guys!!!!!!! good luck tho¬

still looking

I've got a set of Dura Ace cranks that are NJS stamped and 165mm, with a 46T chainring.

NJS is not a mark of quality, it keep things standard for keirin racing - but only in Japan,

just like the 'stock' requirements of stock car racing. the standard was set in the mid 50s and so NJS is not a measure of minimum quality, but is of maximum level of progress. it doesn't preclude quality but precludes development

when the keirin is raced outside japan how much NJS stuff (like low profile rims, with 36 4 cross spokes for eg. ) is used? none.

plenty of stuff not marked NJS wil be of as you say "NJS quality" - the Japanese being notoriously protectionist over the market grant NJS to very few equally deserving manufacturers outside japan, even though tons would qualify on standards.

unless you're racing keirn in japan or wanting to build a completely faithful replica jap keirn bike , you don't need or want it

if i race keirin in japan i need to have the stuff - and a small kabal of manufacturers will make me pay through the nose as they are essentially guarding entry into the discipline unless i stump up the readies. this is fine if i'm there and want to race - but for me (outside japan) to now believe that those inflated prices are due to the quality means that i'm paying an ignorance tax.

hence any NJS stuff i get, i sell off immediately - knowing it will command more than it's quality ever deserves. what started as a simple restrictive racing standard to level the playing field for competitors has somewhat understandably become a bit of cult. but now -particularly in the 2nd hand market - it's mutated into some sort of marketing device - to fleece the hip.

"A child in the crowd calls out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all. The Emperor cringes, suspecting the assertion is true, but holds himself up proudly and continues the procession."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ARAYA-16B-GOLD-NJS-keirin-rim-700c-36h-PAIR-/300531543410

yeh these are sooo much better than the fiamme ergal i've got in the loft that's i'd be lucky to get 15 quid for...

NJS is not a mark of quality, it keep things standard for keirin racing - but only in Japan,

just like the 'stock' requirements of stock car racing. the standard was set in the mid 50s and so NJS is not a measure of minimum quality, but is of maximum level of progress. it doesn't preclude quality but precludes development

when the keirin is raced outside japan how much NJS stuff (like low profile rims, with 36 4 cross spokes for eg. ) is used? none.

plenty of stuff not marked NJS wil be of as you say "NJS quality" - the Japanese being notoriously protectionist over the market grant NJS to very few equally deserving manufacturers outside japan, even though tons would qualify on standards.

unless you're racing keirn in japan or wanting to build a completely faithful replica jap keirn bike , you don't need or want it

if i race keirin in japan i need to have the stuff - and a small kabal of manufacturers will make me pay through the nose as they are essentially guarding entry into the discipline unless i stump up the readies. this is fine if i'm there and want to race - but for me (outside japan) to now believe that those inflated prices are due to the quality means that i'm paying an ignorance tax.

hence any NJS stuff i get, i sell off immediately - knowing it will command more than it's quality ever deserves. what started as a simple restrictive racing standard to level the playing field for competitors has somewhat understandably become a bit of cult. but now -particularly in the 2nd hand market - it's mutated into some sort of marketing device - to fleece the hip.

"A child in the crowd calls out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all. The Emperor cringes, suspecting the assertion is true, but holds himself up proudly and continues the procession."

You are aware the GB squad use a lot of NJS stuff? 75 and DA cranks and BBs, DA hubs, Zen rings, DA and EAI cogs, Nitto bars.

Not because it is NJS, but because it is the best stuff available, ruling it out because it is NJS is stupid.

i have obviously made myself misunderstood

i didn't say that NJS stuff wasn't quality, i said NJS does not denote quality, it denotes a standard.

and i agree "ruling it out because it is NJS is stupid."

and i'm sure you'll agree that, for the average man in the street, ruling it in just because it is NJS is stupid , especially when it commands the hipster tax

from the premis
*some of the best stuff is NJS, *

you can't logically conclude
*NJS is the best stuff *
that would be what's called a 'Syllogistic fallacy'- yet this is a presumption i'm hearing all the time when NJS is discussed.

"No fish are dogs, and no dogs can fly, therefore all fish can fly."

Number six, thanks for all the bla bla bla about the NJS.
I perfectly know what NJS is, even so, it's always nice to read a good story once again.

said so, I am still looking. c'mon, someone must have a bloody suntour superbe pro that doesnt need....

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