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  • All City Big Block?

    from a distance they look nicer, but the Surly is better built. welds on the all city don't seem all that clean, and the dropouts don't mesh nicely with the stays.

    surly wins at this game.

    My brother rides a Steamroller as a rainy day bike and I ride a Mark V. Those are really the only two bikes i'd consider in this category.

    I prefer the Mark V because it's a bit lighter and you can easily drill the dropouts to accept fenders directly.

    If you want to buy a lot of parts for the bike, this may be worth your attention... considering you get a frame made by waterford and 20% off the parts. It won't be as pretty as a true Waterford, but it'll be quality.
    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=612_1546&products_id=1576

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