Rossin Columbus SLX f+f, or not..?

So we have made out that it is definitely a Rossin but just with unoriginal forks. Would frame builders ever use different
branded dropouts of the front than the back or would they always be matching?

Am I missing the scan of the receipt?

The frame is clearly a Rossin, but clearly not NOS and clearly repainted (without being stripped) - the forks are obviously from a much earlier frameset - the rake makes that pretty obvious.

£50 for a chain? Jebus...

thats what I thought! whats wrong with the standard £10 izumi chain?

Also isnt there a different tubing sticker that they need to put on if the frame has been resprayed?

`pretty much, it look as simply as it was sprayed black to match the fork.

Decent chain tend to cost £35, so a £50 one is usually those ti-nitride coating one that does reduced the chance of it getting rusty.

I splashed out on a £16 nickel plated sram chain at the start of winter, its now a very distinct rust colour!

So we have made out that it is definitely a Rossin but just with unoriginal forks. Would frame builders ever use different
branded dropouts of the front than the back or would they always be matching?

They can be different.

Easier to buy them both the same, as bulk from same manufacturer reduces costs. But there's no reason at all that they have to be the same, and you order fronts and rears rather than whole sets, so perfectly normal for them not to be the same.

mixing drop-outs would be like wearing two different shoes.... illogical

Malchek at BLB is saying he bought direct from a factory in Italy. He's planning to post later on today to verify that it is 100% Rossin and not a respray.

In spite of the pinky/red paint glaring through the chip marks AND the dodgy yellow infills that look like they've been done with nail-varnish, I'm convinced it is resprayed. Primer is usually grey. Maybe he bought it and was duped by his own seller.

All the fun of the fair...

`pretty much, it look as simply as it was sprayed black to match the fork.

Decent chain tend to cost £35, so a £50 one is usually those ti-nitride coating one that does reduced the chance of it getting rusty.

I splashed out on a £16 nickel plated sram chain at the start of winter, its now a very distinct rust colour!

All our chains will be rusty if we spend too much time pondering over this one.
Yes, it's a shame someone took advantage of this guy, but it was obviously worth it to him at the time and (thanks to this place) has been a huge learning curve for him, no real harm done and hopefully has had many happy miles riding it.
I bought one of those little portugese custard tarts this morning. every time i KNOW i'm being ripped off, but they taste so fucking good i'll be back.
As for BLB, seems like have a bit of answering to do, but thats for those two to sort out...unless we're all going? Thankfully the op can go with his eyes open and put a bit of pressure on the manager, might not get any money back, but worth it all the same. Might stop them from doing the same shit next ti....hahahahahaha, yeah.....i'll just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I would say that its deffinetely Rossin and a nice frame. those brakes are the skeleton version. Sell the frame on ebay with a good description and you should get a bit back, then buy a proper track frame, but do some research first!

Why hasnt the question been asked why someone spent £1700 on a bike when they have no idea on it. BLB is expensive but from my experience are fair havent tried to sell me any thing I didnt want or sell me a more expensive version.

it is a 100% Rossin, just not the respray.

I would say that its deffinetely Rossin and a nice frame. those brakes are the skeleton version. Sell the frame on ebay with a good description and you should get a bit back, then buy a proper track frame, but do some research first!

Why hasnt the question been asked why someone spent £1700 on a bike when they have no idea on it. BLB is expensive but from my experience are fair havent tried to sell me any thing I didnt want or sell me a more expensive version.

+1

Yellow infills done with nail varnish brush.

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Hey,

We bought it from Rossin in Italy last year. It came out of a box where it has laid since it was built. We have bought a number of NOS frames from Rossin over the years; I have one hanging on my bedroom wall at the moment, its rad.

To address some of your concerns directly:
1) Primer: Primer colour varies on what you are trying to achieve as the end product. Ask any old school frame painter, canvas painter or car painter. Besides, any one who resprays frames sandblasts it and paints from baremetal. This is to make the paint adear better, and also because if you add another 8-15 layers of paint all the detail would disapea, and given the panto is still clear than it is only logical that it doesn't have excessive paint layers on it.

2) Filling: My Rossin is amazingly nice, but also has slightly ropey panto-filling. Thats just rossin for you. Not the best painter in Italy. Top quality frame builder though.

3) The Dropouts: Both Campag and Gippiemme made dropouts, the gippiemme are cheaper versions of the campag, but are still branded and nice. Forks and frames haveing different dropouts are fairly common, if you come into the shop I could probably find you 10 frames hanging with mis matching ends. It happens for a variety of reasons, some due to frames and forks being made seperately, and its only painted for a customer, for cost, because they don't really care, building from what you have left etc...

4) track frame!? Dude, no one will have EVER EVER EVER told you this is a track frame, to insinuate that we did is pretty dishonest. I was here when you were sold that frame, and it was sold to you as a road frame for a conversion, no one ever called it a track frame, or a track bike. Fixed wheel, yes, conversion yes, track NO.

5) Price: Thats the kind of price is pretty standard for NOS nice road frames in stores. Check out TFG road frame prices, or continental shops and you'll see the same kind of deal. Its a really nice frame. This forum is known for offering really good prices, like mates rates, its not comparible to the shop environment for buying anything.

I know Maciek has spoken to you on the phone, but please, in future if you doubt the service or products you have bought from us hit me up, on here or at harry@bricklanebikes.co.uk. We'll never intentionally mislead you, there is no point in doing so, and we always want you to be a happy customer, so just get in touch, and we'll explain and/or sort shit out.

I'm sorry that you doubt the frames authenticity, but really, its real, its nice, and ROSSIN is a cracking little brand. I like mine muchly. They cast their own BB shells and seat clusters fromm 87 and everything. WIN

Harry

Why hasnt the question been asked why someone spent £1700 on a bike when they have no idea on it. BLB is expensive but from my experience are fair havent tried to sell me any thing I didnt want or sell me a more expensive version.

Cyclescheme voucher in pocket, and just got carried away, way too impulsive. Yep, steep learning curve alright. Supposed to live AND learn, right?

I reckon this is a Rossin.

:-)

I bought one of those little portugese custard tarts this morning. every time i KNOW i'm being ripped off, but they taste so fucking good i'll be back.

+1

Sorry it was probably a bit harsh and we all make mistakes. Its just there sometimes seems to be a lot of hate aimed at BLB when all I have had is good experiences.

If you want to know its SLX put your finger inside the bottom bracket shell/seat tube and feel for flutes same goes for the fork column.
Harry is spot on about the paint base coats so dont get hung up on it,looks genuine enough to me.Frame shops also use whats left on the shelf including spare tubes lying around so non matching lug sets fork crowns etc is actualy quite common

Yellow infills done with nail varnish brush.

These look fine to me.

To be honest I'm struggling to see the issue here.

Thanks Harry. I should at least deal with this point publicly. After Maciek recommended this forum as a good place to sell the bike, this whole sorry debacle started when I got the frame's classification wrong. Clearly there was a misunderstanding when building the bike, and I apologise if, in this instance, BLB has been misrepresented.

I'm not sure i agree with you about the finish. To me, the frame has been resprayed and I will be in touch directly about how we sort this out.

It's only fair to validate your claim with something factual. Maciek said he'd try and find paperwork to verify this as at the moment it's only your word, even though i am inclined to believe you.

If you want to know its SLX put your finger inside the bottom bracket shell/seat tube and feel for flutes same goes for the fork column.

Doesn't quite work like this in practice. There are no flutes/grooves/rifles in the seat end of the seatpost (think about it), nor in the BB shell. AFAIK on SLX they are in the bottom bracket end of the seat tube and chainstays and on both ends of the down tube. Not easy to get a finger in these places to check.

No reason to sell the bike and buy a track bike like some people were saying. A conversion can be just as nice, and that one is. Of course if you need to sell it to fund a new kitchen then go ahead.
People are really jumping the gun here, I see no reason to believe that frame was resprayed, as Harry.Major said, the Rossin pantographing on the seat stay cluster would be a lot less visible. It is obviously a quality frame, SLX is the best tubing Columbus do/did, with quality components.
If you buy a decent new steel frame you will pay at least £450. So £520 for a NOS rare Rossin is perfectly reasonable.

^ +1

though you paid a lot, you have a really nice bike there with a few small changes can become something rather special.

ride it and enjoy it