Frame building in B'ham

Yup, totally.

Thats the reason I was keen on watching an actual framebuilder at work. The actual welding seems to be common sense+practice.
But all the careful use of jigs to align pieces, working out all the angles/lengths, cutting and bending tubes etc. That seems to be where the clever part is.

I totaly understand where you are coming from.Hyper came round at the weekend and I put a proposal forward that should suit everyone interested,I am sure he will chime in when he has time