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  • @ edscobile - very nice bike -

    but can you clarify for me - tourers / randonees have more trail don't they? racers less.

    still trying to get my head around this -with a given head angle less rake (offset on a fork independent of the headangle ) seems to give less trail so should be more docile on the front.

    that big curve on the forks was something i used to associate with tourer style but now think it's just an older style (a style i like) to go along with a shallower head tube (possibly just the style of the time - but also maybe to give more 'bounce' on the fork fro comfort and to stress the steering crown less and maybe to make the wheelbase longer ?). i had a harry quinn with toe over lap and put on forks with a longer rake and thought i'd also make it more docile - but i think i made it less docile

    http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/trail.html

    http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/trail-fork-rake-and-little-bit-of.html

    yet i'm still seeing more offset on less sporty bikes - is this (at a give size of frame) to lengthen wheel base ? and is compensated by a slightly shallower head angle.

    while i'm at it - would appreciate your views - on stem length - shorer stem equals racier or more stable steering?

    i'd have thought shorter stem is more twitchy (hands on top seems twitchier than on hoods) but again it's counter to what i'm seeing on racers which seem to have longer stem all given . - maybe that's to do with keeping the wheel base short (and vice versa for tourers again )?

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