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Ps I know the vigorelli is pretty much the same as the mash but it's top tube slopes towards the wrong end, and all the other options looks a bit too sporty. If it were shoes we were talking about, those would be trainers, a nagasawa or supercorsa would be leather brogues. I am looking for convers all stars.
I know I'm kicking up a fuss a spoiled child would but I'm paying for. It so I might as well get exactly what I want.