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  • How many times are we going to have the same dismal, defeatist argument? It took stricter enforcement, harsher penalties and education, at the same time, to get a lot of people to stop drink driving. There is no horse and cart. The same will be true of using a mobile phone while driving and the same will be true of reducing speed limits - or indeed of getting people to see speed limits as a maximum rather than a recommendation.

    Also I am not keen on 'the forum' signing anything or supporting anything because there is no way of knowing if even a majority of its members (most of who seldom post much) agree to what we are backing. The majority of members will possibly never even read this thread. The forum is lots of different forums really. I think we are setting ourselves up for a fall if we endorse anything and are then shown to be speaking on behalf of a great many people who are ignorant of that endorsement.

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