Offered: Giovanni Pelizzoli (Ciocc) Custom Steel Track Frames

Ernesto + Colnago

Colner brand was used by Ernesto to be able to sponsor extra pro teams and Colnago was exclusively for one team.

Argentina: you mix up with Rauler (which also isn't from Argentina)

I could swear I've read somewhere that Colnago had Colner has its South american representative brand.
EDIT: Yes - "...General Information
Colner was an additional brand of Colnago (formed from the initial syllables of COLNago, ERnesto). In an interview (TOUR, April 1988) Ernesto Colnago pointed out, that Colner bicycles were good bicycles but not as exclusive as Colnago machines..."

...and:

"...Colner - Bicycles From Argentina..."

Source: Velobase.com

Is there going to be some group purchasing going down here? Might get involved.

What happened to this?

i expect some other brand from the past was relaunched so they pulled their deposits and went for something slightly more niche and exclusive

And flexy...

wait a sec
can i still jump in?!
is this real?!

I messaged the guy on flickr about this. If he can show me pictures I'll order one when I get my student loan in in January.

The sales pitch:

...."so lets be clear, this isn't a pyramid scheme. This is an inverted triangluar model..."

is this real?!

is the pope a kiddie fiddler?
it's a real as you want it to be, it can have any mythical attributes your doe eyes desire.

built in the basement of the vigorelli velodrome? why yes.
made by the old master himself? naturally.
NOS rare tubeset from an unearthed storeroom in the columbus factory? aint it the truth.
using lugs left over from a batch made for the Mercxx hour record bike? absolutely no doubt.

ordered mine, just deciding on cote d azure blue or Moser brown for the colour

this is the email I got back:
Hi Henry

Like i said on flickr, our "promotion" is still available to all time before our web site launch. One important thing to say is, we are crafts, we don' t have a big stock of materials or frames, but we work for the special customers requests, we ll do everything to realize your needs.
About the track frame, we restarting to produce this type of frame like the old San Cristobal, we used SL columbus tubing, pantograph lugs, and double flat head fork (like old french style) we are sure that combinations of these factors creating one of the best track frame in the world at the best price, not forgetting that every frame is made by Giovanni Pelizzoli.
Our promotion is, 550€ for one track frame with standard sizes (48-50-52-54-56-58) one color that you can chose and give us the RAL or PANTONE, and with flat head chromed fork, front lugs chromed and the drop outs chromed (like the first image, plus the flat head chromed). For the font of the word PELIZZOLI you can chose the first or the second option.
To build the same frame with personal sizes must plus 90€, chose to chromed the rear triangle is 70€ plus like total chromed fork.
We need 50 days to build and ship the frame, after 40% deposit of the total cost. We can accept bank transaction, paypal and western union.
To ship in Great Britain need 65€ for quick pack EU, 3 days with insurance and tracking number (for the same price we can ship in the same box 2 maybe 3 frame)

If you have some request or any question don' t wait to ask me.

Best regards and Merry Christmas

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so the forum opinion on this is?.. are we in or are we in?

Don't know about the others, but it is a definite possibility for me come the end of January.

I'll still have a slice.

well, from the pics i have, but was asked not to post, what can i say, frames look... ok? like a modern steel frame?.. good? lugged? nice fork crown?.. dunno, still not made my mind up

Ciao
sorry to get suddenly inside this topic with my first message, but I thought it right
to write down a short review that might be useful for you.
I'm the owner of the first "new" Pelizzoli track frame coming out from
Giovanni' welding pipe. Just by chance I got in touch with Ale a couple
of month ago, looking for an old frame. Being hard for me to find the
right measure (I'm 192 cm tall), Ale proposed me the option of getting
a Pelizzoli frame. Knowing that Giovanni Pelizzoli is Ciocc, I called Ale
directly and I fixed a meeting in Giovanni' site, where I had the chance
of meeting him, getting involved inside an amazing "time travel" experience.
riding me along 50 years of cycling history (you can imagine how many tales
and experiences are coming from Giovanni). Meanwhile he got my measurement
and we briefly discussed about the frame. I have to admit that, during the
following weeks, I changed often ideas about geometry, colours, finishing
and so on, and Ale was always really kind and available in fullfilling my expectations,
acting as an "interface" between me and Pelizzoli, and updating me constantly with
pictures of the different building steps.
Few days ago I collected the frame (that I left for some time to Ale in order to
make pictures for the web site), and here it is my first feedback:

frame (including fork) is really lightweight, despite of the big size, giving in
the same time the idea of being solid and stiff. Welding, lugs, painting, chrome
plating and pantograph, are perfect, like in the best Italian framebuilding tradition.
I compared it with my old Losa race frame and also got the same good feedback
from my cycling shop guy, who has, thanks to his father, a long experience in
framebuilding. Thus, I would say that the first impression is really positive.
I'm currently assembling it with a dated Campy group, and, if you want, I will
let you have a short review once I will test it in a track session, as like as I
will post some pictures upon Ale permission.

A short note to close this message: do not get involved in the "poser" idea
of getting a Ciocc branded frame. I could have easily asked to stick on the frame
Ciocc decals, getting, as a result, to give the impression of owning a new Ciocc
frame, that has nothing to do with Giovanni. Opposite, I have now a Pelizzoli
frame, made directly by Ciocc himself, and, believe me, for those who really
knows cycling history, this issue is really giving "street cred" (I hate this expression
that I prefer to leave to gangs of rappers, but I read it on this topic and I report
it like it is).
If anyone has questions, I'll be glad to provide you any answer.

i would really love to see a picture. frame or build.

seems to be a pretty positive review.

Thanks for the information Emtra. Got any pictures?

I'm plenty of pictures both of the frame and of the assembled bike (with Campagnolo Super Record and "Sheriff" hubs), but I promised to Ale to do not post until he will release the web site.
On the other hand, I think he will send you at least a picture of the frame if you will ask him.

@ metrocammell: sorry for not replying but I'm still not allowed to send mails.

what colour did u get?

White pearl with chrome plated lugs +
rear triangle

yeah ive seen that one!

nice lugs