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    any one come up with a single reason why people who desire to become middle-class or more middle-class shouldn't have to invest in themselves via university? Just like I who greatly improved my life by starting a business (well 3 now actually) have had to invest in myself and take on debt to start all of them?

    yeah thats what I thought.

    Piece of piss Chris: Going to university is about more than an economic return. It's about learning and broadening the mind. Measuring a degree in economic terms is missing the point of that degree entirely.

    Learning and broadening the mind should be open to everyone, whether they can rationalise a business case for it or not. The evidence may show that if you go to university you will almost certainly earn more money, but there's self believe needed there too. Not something the poor, disadvantaged and downtrodden tend to have in spades.

    Your approach to the debate is typical of the American ultra-meritocratic approach (a.k.a 'the American Dream') but using the relationship between parents’ and children’s incomes as an indicator of relative social mobility, data show that a number of countries including Denmark, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany, and France have greater relative mobility than the United States.

    If you read up about the higher education systems of these countries I think you will find that their higher education offer tends to be pretty good. Generally the tab is picked up byt the state, not the individual. And this is putting aside completely the discussion about why women and minorities have a clear disadvantage in status mobility from the beginning, so surely the last thing we should do is discourage them from pursuing higher education?

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