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@hugo7
Just to be clear I am not saying that all bikes made in holland, or on licence or by Dutch companies are shit.
I'm talking about those heavy imported things that pop up on gumtree and other places, which many mechanics say have varrious fundamental flawes (like the dropouts).
My understanding was (from one Dutch friend and another random) was they were cheap in A'dam and expensive here.
And my point about Creates, wasn't that they were good, or even good value for money after you've fixed the broken bits, but that these Dutch bikes even with broken bits would be worth it.
They have a big sprung saddle, full mudgaurds, rack, chain cover and stand. The bits that are likely to fuck up are the tyres/wheels and cranks. You can change these and still come up with a working bike in that style for a good price.