Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

i can't find anything... sorry. I 'm sure that i have seen again those lugs but i can't
be sure about and my "source" enjoy his pension somewhere in the mountains...
I thought that it was a Bottecchia or a de Bernardi but i have noticed that
the top tube its shaped...
i can only speculate and been jealous.

hehehe thanks for the jealousy! makes the frame that much more special :)

the tubes are made from Columbus Gilco tubing in the 5-star shape. it was offered to other manufacturers as an alternative to the 4-star tubing that colnago was using (colnago had exclusive rights to the 4-star version). i think what i've just said is not bull but i may be mistaken!