For Sale: Concorde PDM 56/56 Columbus SLX Campagnolo

SOLD

Size is incorrect in title of thread (can't edit) it is in fact 56 seat tube 58 top tube

A PDM Concorde (either team or replica, haven't found out yet) with Campagnolo parts

Seat tube 56cm c-t (58 to end of extended seat tube)
Top tube 58cm c-c

Paint job has some spots and touchups but this PDM team colours bike is looking very good overall. Long fork tube, extended seat tube. Made of Columbus SLX tubing with Cinelli bracket, Campagnolo chainset, front and rear derailleur, brakes, seatpost and hubs. Mavic rims, Cinelli bars and stem.

More detailed pics here

Yours for €435 delivered to UK/EU1

Oh how I want a PDM Concorde! My size too. But empty pockets....

Dibs the frame if you split ;)

Peter-excellent racer

Hi Peter
nice PDM Concorde, but a little too big for me. Can you find me another one, same PDM colour scheme but 55 c to c or 56 c to c. Any condition as I can restore if needed.

Hi cycloretro

I think Björn might be able to help you finding a smaller PDM, just got a pm from him about this

good luck!

Thanks Peter much appreciated. Actually doesn't have to be in the PDM colour, I would settle for a regular Squadra or Aquila in SXL or TSX with the pantographing of the Italian flag on the top tube and the Concorde logo on the fork crown and lugs. Having a Cinelli bottom bracket would be a nice bonus.

effing lush. Got a real soft spot for these... no cash though.

#free bump

Hi Peter,

The concorde pdm bike looks like an actual team bike.The cable guides look to be slotted with rear brake cable running externally.This was done to make the team mechanics job easier and also it might be for better working of the rear brake.If the bottom bracket shell is cinelli spoiler type the spoiler may be slotted to make gear cable removal easier.In the past I owned a team frame(dag erik pedersens) and the English importer had also Gerrie Knetemanns and Sean Kellys spare team bikes for sale.Another nice bike for sale, cheers kermisking.

@ kermisking - you know your history man, that's much appreciated - thanks for the additional info! indeed I had a feeling it was a team bike for all the 'unusual' features but wasn't sure. also, a friend of mine told me that bike store 'Kroone Liefting' (I also got a Merckx TT frame from them) used to buy lots of team bikes

@ Gregorio cheers mate :)

Imo this could be a Team bike also. It's difficult to find out wich year because the PDM team used several colour scheme's and types even in the same season. Good to know: most pro's have ridin these SLX frames and only a few lightweight guys have used the TSX frames for mountainstages. Some later team bikes have small engraved logo's in the head tube lugs. I think this is a 1990 frame. Can anybody confirm?

Realy a bargain, i paid more then 300,- for a TSX frame only!

I have one of these PDM bikes from SLX with the slotted spoiler bb shell, cable guides and a full DA group and it and rides beautifully. It's a little heavy on hills but it descends so well I don't care. This is great value at around £380 for a classic bike.

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread, but seeing as there's a lot of knowledge in this topic: Does anyone know if my recently acquired 'Squadra' in the alternate PDM-colours is from SLX or TSX tubing? Here's a pic:

I tend to think it's TSX. Not so much because of wishful thinking (though I have a Concorde TSX-decal waiting to be put on...), but rather because of the 1990 label on the frame and the confirmation that Concorde started using TSX on their slightly more common Aquila in the '93-brochure. So I guess this bike is probably from '91 or '92, right?

Don't want to put my finger in the downtube just yet… so any additional thoughts would be much appreciated.

Oh, and btw: Peter's bike is looking mighty special. Gotta love PDM Concorde. Hope this bump helps.

IMHO this frame was trying to mirror the Big Mig Pinarello white frame he had with the dropped top tube design- ie dropped down the seat tubs and head tube to a lower position than was normal.

An idea was that the seat post was supported more strongly, which is twaddle as the seat tube does that adequately, and the extra length of collar is cosmetic.

It makes a larger frame look and feel smaller, tighter and stiffer.

I'm not sure who started the trend, but certainly Big Mig's frame looked smaller that it actually was-and he is flippin' big bloke!

I could be talking out my backside though.......

Concorde PDM bike in the OP is provisionally sold

Miguel Indurain and Pinaello weren't the first to do this dropped top bar. On the pro scene it was first done by Edwig Van Hooydonck and Colnago back in the time of Super Confex in the mid to late 1980's. Most of the pro teams back then used Campagnolo and seat posts only came in short lengths not like today, so for tall riders like Van Hooydonck getting the seat higher was a problem. Colnago also realised this and solved the flex of a rider's large frame by just dropping the top tube to create a smaller diamond. Concorde also adopted the theory for riders such Steven Rooks and Gert-Jan Theunisse.

All i read i can confirm as far as my knowledge let me in PDM/Concorde team bikes.

HUM3: your Squadra is 99% a TSX tubing frame for sure. As far as i know all Squadra's are TSX. Don't forget to put the tubing decall on a low postion downside the seat tube as all Concorde's had in these years.

Steven Rooks

Gert-Jan Theunisse (and Pedro Delgado)

Yes the bikes look very much like the one in the OP. Can't find any better though, maybe someone with a nice archive of cycling mags from those days...?

Has someone found a vein of Concordes in Holland recently?

6 months ago it was all Gazelle, Gazelle, Gazelle... but then I was like....

This is getting interesting. I always wondered if mine was a replica or team frame and with the NL detectives on the case I might find out! Mine had the Concorde symbol panto'd into the lugs as well but it doesn't have a model name.

Thanx for the info SimplexNL, much appreciated.

Here are two scans I found online (thank you Retrobike). It shows there were early late eighties Squadra's of SLX (and even SL, I remember reading).

This one's from the '89 brochure:

And then there's Sean Kelly's bike.

nice one!

funny, they don't even specify tt size of Kelly's bike

Was this the replica? This is the same as mine however my spoiler bb shell has been cut and it has slotted cable guides, which are external for the rear brake like the frame in the op. It came into my hands with a 3ttt 2002 model stem from the early 90's and what look like matching grey anodised bars and a full 7402 DA groupset. I'll try and post pics over the weekend as I'd really like to know if it's a team frame or a replica. Not that it matters I'm sure but I'd be interested to know anyway.

Hi Gav 86, sounds like your concorde is actual team issue and not a standard retail concorde.If there is no rider name on the top tube or under the bracket shell the name may have been removed or it may have just been a spare frame or spare bike that sat on top of the team car during races.There are two guys I know of ,both Belgian who were team mechanics for PDM.One of the guys is Marcel van der slagmolen an ex pro who rode as a domestique for Roger de Vlaeminck.The other guy is called peter and has a big bike shop in oudenaarde Belgium.These blokes might know a lot of info.
In an old Winning I have a picture of the PDM service des course with the bikes(road and time trial ,merc team cars, team buses and mechanics, soigneurs and managers all on show.All the columbus sl-slx-tsx-el etc concorde frames available to the public from the mid 80's had internal rear brake routing has this was the "in" thing at the time.The only way I can distinguish between Ciocc built and Billato built for definite is the Ciocc syle cut out on the bracket shell.The frame you have will have been made by Billato.Probably 99% of the retail high end Concordes had photo finish bosses brazed to the top tube.I can't see many people in Britain making use of this just a bit annoying if like me you want to put a zefal pump under the top tube.I hope you enjoy getting out on the bike, cheers Kermisking.

Hi guys, from what I was told all the Concordes that came with a Cinelli BB were cut by the PDM team mechanic to make cleaning and repairs easier and quicker. The Concordes weren't made like this from the factory. Not all PDM team bikes however had the slots cut in the BB as they didn't start doing it until 1988. Any PDM team Concorde before then may still have the untouched BB. My Concorde is an ex PDM team bike from 1987 and its BB is untouched - check out the pics at www.cycloretro.com
or this video: YouTube - PDM Cconcorde part2

mmm this brings me back. i had one of these concorde pdm's also even with the funny race day boss. rode like a dream