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What is this - the play ground all of a sudden?
Let's set the framework then.
Benefit to the individual:
Financial benefit - this can be measured in terms of income / savings etc...
"Developmental" benefit - a little fluffier, but can be measuredBenefit to the state:
Cost of higher education
Tax receipts
Economic benefit of a workforce with a higher level of education*And it's bullshit because? What - because you just say so?
- This would need to be balanced against education levels as a whole - it's a closed system, after all, with limited budget.
What a load of waffle
So what graduates earn more?? They also pay more taxes. They also subsidise people who earn less. Do you really think someone who is on minimum wage contributes enough to pay for his fair share of the NHS?
Graduates Contribute a lot to society - who do you think designs all the buildings you use. Who designed and engineered that computer you are using?
I could go on.
- This would need to be balanced against education levels as a whole - it's a closed system, after all, with limited budget.
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That's the point-its about fiscal power as opposed to social benefit.
Fiscal power > social benefit always.
Innit cute when Americans try to do British history? Churchill was a great war time leader but was a bit of liability in peace time. His attempt to reintroduce the gold standard in 1924 led to deflation and mass unemployment that led to the general strike - hardly a great fiscal power. Likewise his period as PM from 1951 to 1955 was punctuated by ill-advised attempts to maintain an empire that was already crumbling - not exactly bringing the UK into the modern world.
It was Harold Wilson that introduced the grant scheme so that everyone could have an inside bog. In my book this means more than Margaret Thatcher rolling out a few tax cuts while the stock market rallied.
Not loosing world war 2 was a huge step in establishing power (as were in door bogs)
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Yes. And the benefit of those things is measurable, for the most part. As is the benefit to the individual. And when you (or I, as I did many years ago) compare those two numbers, one will be larger than the other, and that will be in favour of the student.
Does that make sense now?
It would make sense IF the statement was true.
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I was stating that the actions are not a powerful political statement.
That wasn't a debate that I was engaging in.
see the above quote. you seem to be contradicting yourself, how can you comment on the power of the political statement without engaging in that debate. And would you be talking about these issues if they hadn't done it? I doubt it.
Do you have anything to back up this assertion?
Do you, apart from some anecdotal evidence about tax receipts? It's your assertion after all.
How so? Can you elaborate? It seems a little obtuse that you would not want to explain your point in a way that I might understand. After all, you wouldn't want to appear elitist, would you?
Again, the language used is very clear, if you don't understand it I can only assume its because you don't want to. You don't want me to pander to the lowest common denominator and endanger the interests of wider debate, do you?
That's a rather witless rejoinder, isn't it?
About as witless as the person who originally wielded it.
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I feel that I'm being trolled.
Do you often feel victimised? bullied? Vulnerable? Scared of the unwashed masses clawing at your wages and assailing you as you walk in the street? I thought you weren't that invested in the argument after all.
You're probably absolutely correct on everything that you have stated. Well done. Fight the good fight.
How original.
You work as a creative, don't you?
Hahaha. Yes, I do. I also have some conception that life exists somewhere outwith beancounting and tax reciepts.
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#Why don't you put down the keyboard and go out and do something more interesting instead?
#understands the "irony" there.
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#Why don't you put down the keyboard and go out and do something more interesting instead?
#understands the "irony" there.
#wishes England vs France was betterIt's raining innit.
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It's not that mysterious. I did make some suggestions as to what it might look like, above and beyond common sense. I also stated that I am not ins a position to prove it. That would require an effort that I am neither willing, nor able, to expend.
And that's ^^ why I used the comment "all fart and no shit"
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Not invested in the argument, now would like an academic debate.
What about the benefits brought to society by research, by having more technically skilled/learned people who can understand and bring money into the country?
(poorly thought out and can see two massive put downs for it already: people become more skilled at not paying taxes on businesses they establish and they put more people into wage slavery)