Locks that work

This might be helpful. I may add it later to the list on page one also. All insurers should accept locks from this database.

http://www.thatcham.org/security/pdfs/compliance.pdf (go to page 69-71)

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Seemingly it's very easy to cut through a 13mm lock. How so then is an 18mm lock so much more sturdy?

Not trolling, actually interested.

Seemingly it's very easy to cut through a 13mm lock. How so then is an 18mm lock so much more sturdy?

Not trolling, actually interested.

A cross section of the shackle area would be calculated with the formula:
A = r^2 * pi

So
(13/2)^2 * pi = 132.67mm^2
(18/2)^2 * pi = 254.34mm^2

So you are cutting through twice as much material and not just 38% more which you might immediately think when comparing the numbers 13 and 18.

Also the high end Kryptonite locks tend to be made with stronger steel than cheaper products on the market.

@GA2G - thanks for getting back to me on the SoldSecure question. It's a shame that there isn't a unified European ratings agency, the Fahg Mini is certified by the French Classe SRA and Evo Mini by the German VdS (as printed on either lock), it must be a nightmare for Kryptonite (an American company) to be chasing all the different European ratings agencies for certification...

^ aren't the decent abus ones solid secured raded?

I know they're harder to get a deal on, but they're still on par with the kryptos.

I believe that the Sold Secure possibly charge companies to be listed, and even then, they have to select which items they want to test. I am very, very, very sceptical about the business model that Sold Secure use to run their business.

Correct - they are open about it, it's how they make their money. Same as Thatcham.

There was an undercurrent to what I was saying, but it appeared that you have missed it.

It would involve a manufacturer persuading Sold Secure that a cheap and flimsy lock was worth a Gold rating. I can't actually spell it out. I don't want the bother that goes with that.

No I didn't miss it - it was as subtle as a brick. Buy why bother with "I believe" etc, when they state it clearly on their web site?

Clear accurate factual information is usually better than vague innuendo etc. I'd like to know exactly what evidence you have for making your "undercurrent" allegation though? If you don't have any, the you might want to think hard about publishing it on a public forum?

ffs

Just heard back from Kryptonite:

From: Letters, [mailto:Letters@irco.com]
Sent: 21 October 2010 20:31
To:
Subject: RE: Customer Service - United Kingdom SoldSecure rating

Daniel,

We are looking to test the Fahgettaboudit Ulock for Sold Secure in 2011.

Regards,
Donna
Customer Service Representative
Kryptonite
Ingersoll Rand
Residential Solutions
437 Turnpike St
Canton, MA 02021
Tel: (800) 729-5625
Fax: (781) 821-0780
www.kryptonitelock.com
http://unbreakable-bonds.blogspot.com

some maths

Thanks!

Clear accurate factual information is usually better than vague innuendo etc. I'd like to know exactly what evidence you have for making your "undercurrent" allegation though? If you don't have any, the you might want to think hard about publishing it on a public forum?

I refer you to post 722 of this thread.

For the record:

.....Here is evidence of GOLD rated locks, that I feel will NOT properly protect bikes.

MasterLock Fortnum U-Lock and cable (U-bar 13mm, Cable 10mm) - easily cut
ABUS City Chain 1060/110 (10mm links) - easily cut
Abus Granit Steel-O-Flex 1000 (25mm shell, ie. hollow cylinders, not solid steel) - easily cut

That reply was concerning Sold Secure GOLD rated locks.
Its 'Clear accurate factual information' that you wanted.

I realise that this is primarily a forum for you to post your thoughts, views and personal conclusions on the world of locks. I just wonder whether the system, even if flawed, of the Sold Secure testing process, established as it is by the Police, Home Office, and various other organisatons with their lab test and so forth just might offer people a little bit of useful data of which they might wish to be aware?

Just a thought, especially given your propensity to remove posts that don't accord with your personal view of the world.

seen the double locking a shitter to a decent bike in action before in newcastle, mate picked the lock and got his back later that evening.

Just a quick Q, with london, talking central london, people are walking about the streets with leg length 15kg bolt croppers, casually strolling upto a bike they want, crop clunk and ride away.... and passers by aren't saying anything? Place is turning more and more into Paris :/

Just a thought, especially given your propensity to remove posts that don't accord with your personal view of the world.

I do NOT have any moderator or administrator authority on this forum. I cannot remove anyone's posts, merge anything, or edit anything, that was not authored by me in the first place. It is your view of the world that is askew.

Just because Sold Secure is accepted by several concerns as being the best at what they do, I think its fair to point out when they label something as of Gold standard, but the lock is flimsy. I personally would trust Thatcham more than Sold Secure.

Just a quick Q, with london, talking central london, people are walking about the streets with leg length 15kg bolt croppers, casually strolling upto a bike they want, crop clunk and ride away.... and passers by aren't saying anything? Place is turning more and more into Paris :/

I seem to remember a BBC news London type programme a a couple of years ago about this type of thing. Bloke locks his bike up in central london, leaves it for a bit then comes back with bolt croppers crops the lock, then rides away. Noone, of course says or does anything. So he does exactly the same thing, but this time with an angle grinder to see it the noise and sparks attract any attention. Of course it doesn't.

Having said that I was once unlocking my bike and having a bit of trouble as the barrel on the lock wasn't lined up properly sowas fiddling about, and a passer by asked me whether it was my bike.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280459549069&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
is this lock any good? looking for something solid that isnt that expensive

It doesn't meet the criteria for chains in this thread. If you haven't aleady seen it, do have a read of the first post of this thread. Only chains with links of 16mm and thicker are recommended.

Velocio mentioned these guys in the Cycleshow thread and their website went live this morning with product info.

Very interesting 3D keyed fasteners for virtually every component on your bike. Pitlocks for everything basically, engineered by Royce I think...

http://atomic22.co.uk/index.html

Including quill stem bolts!

edit Velocio's getting some samples....

^ These look great.

fock the cockpit bolts, as long as i see actual prices on those, i trust my set of M2 nuts superglued into my stem bolts. this way, the whole bike can be made saver with approx less than 10GBP and that should include the glue (different size nuts needed for the various bolts throughout plus their respective sized bolt for removal)

what really caught my eye there was their approach to replace tracknuts with something safe.
i definitely have an eye out for those, but by counting how many times they mentioned "aerospace grade materials" and "precision" i doubt that it's gonna be a steal.

^if you get what i mean.

Tamper-proof nuts aren't exactly a new invention though - must be able to get something equivalent for cheap. eg http://www.lfgss.com/thread33847.html

nice and not more than track nuts itself. the tool comes in a bit hefty but that could still work out similar to a quality adapter socket. good find, i guess i didn't really searched for valuable alternatives.

Silly question but which is the key number on my Kryptonite key?

Have a longer number starting NK and a shorter number starter with R - don't want to register the wrong one!

which one is on the key?

is it written on the key or attach to the key like a dog tag?

they're both stamped on the key - it's a (recent) Kryptonite Evolution 4