'Cause it's the cyclists that need educating...

Personally I like to get to the front and have a clear path as 90% of the time I accelerate away from the lights faster than the other cyclists. Oh and I wouldn't want to stay behind a motor vehicle as if they need to stop or creep through a junction, they are holding me up.

Oooh you go fast. Kids today.

hycct?

This^

Look again boys, the PO van is indicating left....

The riders need to be in front of it, or behind it taking the lane.

He won't be overtaking that noddy on the inside, he'll be turning into him and frustratingly trying to complete his maneuver whilst waiting for the scramble of kerb hugging lemmings to realise he's turning left.

Don't call me boy, please.

It was plain that the van is indicating furyther up the thread as I recall, though i may have just imagined that everyone had already worked that out. I certainly had. That's why I said I'd just as likely wait behind the van as go ahead of it into the ASL.

Assuming the rider is going straight on or left, not right, that stopping in this position, that the photographer is in, is OK by me. You need to be aware of whether any vehicle behind the van is turning left, should you be going straight on, and ride accordingly (taking the lane then) when traffic moves off. But I prefer not to get right behind a vehicle, pariculalry a diesel, when they're revving away at the rlights pathetically intimidating everyone with their stupid clutched engine.