you play, you pay
that was exactly my point. i can understand what you're saying paul, but the fact is we're paying for the lights and everyone should contribute. if 6 newbies turn up but only play a bit, that still makes a difference on how many games the rest of us can play. if we're gonna be charging, we should have a blanket 'you play, you pay' rule to avoid any problems. just sayin like...