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oz you make my presence here redundant with those last two posts. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Edit: you missed the yellow cyclocrosser from the porn thread though, its a pile of shit.
And @ boredom you're right I didnt notice the back brake there, that's anti too. But the foot retention meh, what are you gonna do if you don't want clipless. Not pretty but very functional.