Vintage versus modern bikes - a scientific comparison

Their cadence is about 77rpm, but I've been told that 90-100 is optimal for going fast. w00t?

Bikes are cool.

Beautiful, cool, sexy, useful, fun. And other things.

imagine how much faster the guy on the crabon bike would be if he pumped up his back tyre.

Beautiful, cool, sexy, useful, fun. And other things.

I think we share the same point of view, Skulls.

^^Sorrry but that Hetchins is straight up anti.

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So the greater flexibility of the older steel bike was sufficient to make a measurable difference in speed? Gosh - if the difference is as big as that, you'd almost think that you might be able to feel the difference between an older steel bike and a newer bike of another material - while you're riding it! Like, the steel bike might feel a bit more forgiving over bumps and stuff? But that's impossible, right?

everyone knows old bikes are heavy and shit, don't need to read an article to work that one out.
they do look nice though.

i want a Pegoretti responsorium. different paintjob though please

Of course modern carbon bikes are also nowhere near as good as they could be, due to the UCI banning anything which goes a bit too quick

25 years old is not vintage...

Titanium
Crabon
Alu
Steel

All good. They're bikes, ffs!

Cannot rep you enough for this.

Oh yes, I have an article about how the performance of bicycle improved the time in the TdF.

Turn out the conclusion is that they don't, they compare the TdF time to the runner's time, which also improved as time go by in correlation to the TdF datas.

Need to scan that article in, it's a good read.

^^Sorrry but that Hetchins is straight up anti.

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Wash your mouth out with soap boy!

And your eyes.

You'll be saying fuck off to the pope next.....

Their cadence is about 77rpm, but I've been told that 90-100 is optimal for going fast. w00t?

Hill climb
"Optimal" cadence depends on the person and what they are doing.

You'll be saying fuck off to the pope next.....

And that is wrong?!?

^^Sorrry but that Hetchins is straight up anti.

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+1 (It's the rims.)

It kinda bugs me that people associate steel with old. There are some fecking brilliant modern steel bikes out there. As there are carbon, titanium and aluminium.

Much as they look great. I'm fecking bored with threaded steerers and quil stems. Climbing out of the saddle produces too much flex, and decending feels sketchy. The old square taper BB, isnt as stiff feeling and idiot proof as modern external (or internal BB30) jobbies, with two piece crank/spindle set-up.

Materials dont really come into it.

I was lusting over a Alu Principa yesterday.
I'd very much like a carbon Storck (if they were'nt so bloody long).
I'd very much like Ti framed (still taken by Qoroz) roadie.
I have a fantastic feeling, true temper steel, 29er frame that I would'nt swap for the world.

+1 (It's the rims.)

It's the bars.

Just get both?

Just get both?

you're limiting yourself to 2 bikes?
N+1...

No 3. MTB.

It kinda bugs me that people associate steel with old. There are some fecking brilliant modern steel bikes out there. As there are carbon, titanium and aluminium.

this^
modern oversize steel is totally differnt to 531 pre war tecnology tubests and the added weight of lugs.
shit old bikes were shit when new and age doesn't make them better.
if it was high quality then it's probably still a good ride today.
bigger steerer tubes, ahead stems and better materials have resulted in better bikes.
not forgetting the component advances too. the external BB was a massive improvement over square taper.

Is that Condor prototype steel road race frame in the 2011 lineup? Dan Craven from Rapha Condor was racing a prototype.
Integrated headset, tapered headtube etc. all the latest bells and whistles.

http://blog.condorcycles.com/2010/06/steely-ambition-for-craven.html

Looks it? Really don't like that downtube font. Or the seat tube graphics.

It kinda bugs me that people associate steel with old.

http://www.lfgss.com/post1697077-21.html