• You spoke to Mr Serier? Cool. I never had the oppertunity to speak to him. Peter Serier is definately among my favorite Dutch builders. From what I've heard he had a background in fine mechanics and that extra eye for detail is absolutely visable in his frames through clever detail solutions, like for example the sophisticated seatclamp with extra slot and drilled ends under the clamp. I can really appreciate that. I have a fine ensemble of Serier frames, both Prestos and a Peka.

    On the tubing: Tubesets like SL, SLX, TSX are earlier than Thron. All use Cyclex steel. Tubing like for example Max uses Nivachrom, a bit later and a step up when it was introduced. Thron is butted tubing >>> http://ceeway.com/Thron.htm It also doesn't feel like 'plain gauge'. Far from.

    I visited Peter Serier's workshop in an old warehouse in Amsterdam, over twenty years ago I think. Didn't he move to Giant later? Anyway, he stopped building frames because he couldn't make a living out of that and now doesn't even want to talk about it.

    Thanks for the lesson on Thron; I must've been misled on the net somewhere...

    Did you post pics of your Presto's and Peka?

    P.s.: my (twin) brother has a Rauler. Now that is something special :-)

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