Hipsters

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So potentially Jarvis Cocker would make a 'good' hipster (if there is such a thing). Yes?

If i could be any man, i would be him (or nick cave)

Being a gippie was an inclusive thing wasn't it? We're all equal and all that, love everyone?
Being a fashionable hipster is about being better than other people, there's nothing inclusive in it at all.

so wait a second -
by certain people's definitions of a hipster on here, anyone who is fashionable becomes a loathsome 'hipster'? that's a bit much, no?
in any case, i don't think there's anything wrong with being fashionable if you're a decent person - who the hell cares what someone wears?

Does seem that way a bit at the minute, half the hipster mocking videos on youtube (which seem about as original as the thing they're mocking) are nothing more than a list of clothing items. Could do the same about any subculture really.

I thought Nathan Barley had the mocking of the scene nailed 5 years ago anyway? And slightly more intelligently than naming a uniform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I

Does seem that way a bit at the minute, half the hipster mocking videos on youtube (which seem about as original as the thing they're mocking) are nothing more than a list of clothing items. Could do the same about any subculture really.

I thought Nathan Barley had the mocking of the scene nailed 5 years ago anyway? And slightly more intelligently than naming a uniform.

too true.
plus, by mocking any subculture for being a subculture - you're essentially labeling yourself. AND by creating a division between you, you're in turn doing exactly what you criticise 'hipsters' of doing.
i mean think about it - what was the whole moral of the Nathan Barley story? Dan Ashcroft was, by strongly criticising popular culture, actually the 'king of the idiots'...

hipsters is an awful word, can't we just call a spade a spade and a cunt a cunt?

I am beyond sick of seeing that video.

I am beyond sick of seeing that video.

One trick to not seeing it is not pressing the play button.

can't we just call a spade a spade

racist

I say bring back zippies

racist

According to The Oxford English Dictionary, the phrase ultimately traces back to a Greek expression appearing in Plutarch's Apophthegmata. Plutarch's phrase contained a noun meaning "trough, basin, bowl, boat," which, it seems, was later mistranslated by Erasmus, who mistook the word for a derivative of a Greek term meaning "to dig." The error was carried over into English, where the phrase came to be rendered as “to call a spade a spade”; the first citation of the phrase listed in the OED dates from 1542.

The earliest usage of “spade” to refer to a black person in English dates from 1928. Most etymologists agree that this usage stems from the comparison of such a person’s skin color to the black markings found on playing cards.

The spade referenced in “to call a spade a spade,” then, is clearly of the digging implement sort, and has nothing to do with the offensive racial epithet.