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Why does everything has to be so difficult with you? This mistery act doesn't really add anything to your image....
You seem to be a bright guy... figure it out yourself.
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Your first remark seem to imply that you know (much) more then others, but I didn't think you had a problem sharing that knowledge. O, well....
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Mike use google good
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Happy to oblige...
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Apparently you guys don't have a clue what Cornelo is.
^ useful... if you speak dutch.
More useful: http://www.lfgss.com/thread21707.html
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^ useful... if you speak dutch.
More useful: http://www.lfgss.com/thread21707.html
Useful thread that... :-)
Theye were actually quite well known in the '70's and '80's, and didn't make their own frames as far as I know. My brother might know who did; probably different Belgian and sometimes Italian framebuilders. Colnago used to hire framebuilders when demand was high and fire them when demand was low; then they sometimes did work for others, such as Cornelo. I'm not judging this frame at all (it looks good) but sometimes that sort of contractor work looked like rush jobs.
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Folks......... why you don't ask me? No secrets about Cornelo bikes and as Mike already told; Italian made for a Belgium/Dutch company in the 70 and 80ties. The name is based on the name of the son of the owner of the bikeshop "Cornel". In these days the branch was split in 2 style's, the Dutch/Belgian style (Gazelle, Batavus, RIH, Flandria, Plum, etc.) and the Italian style (Herwerden, Cornelo, Giovanni, Duell, Presto, Zieleman, etc.) The small brands love to produced their frames in Italy or made them like the Italian did with lot of chrome, pantographs and nice paintwork. Ofcourse because of the big Italian brands where very popular. Nice detail; these frames are made of Columbus AND Reynolds tubing both.
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i think cornelo had pretty good relationship with colnago, i have a colnago esamexico trackbike with prety rare tubing, it has 6 ribs and not 4 ribs like the master tubing http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago-88/06a.jpg
i also have a cornelo with the same tubing, since the tubing is exclusivley patented by Colnago, cornelo can only get that tubing through colnago -
Long time ago (mid-to-late-seventies) there was a Union frameset, made by Colnago. Wasn't that the Rini Wagtmans connection? Oh well...
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Long time ago (mid-to-late-seventies) there was a Union frameset, made by Colnago. Wasn't that the Rini Wagtmans connection? Oh well...
...while "everybody" claims that it was made at Gianni Motta...
However, the Union was in the same catalogue as Colnago, since Unikap was the Colnago agent. -
...while "everybody" claims that it was made at Gianni Motta...
However, the Union was in the same catalogue as Colnago, since Unikap was the Colnago agent.Yeah well, sorry, I've always assumed it was made by Colnago, as it was in the same catalogue and looked similarly made. Can't say for sure though.
Was there a R Wagtmans connection?
Sorry to hijack; hope the Cornelo gets sold for a good price.
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Rini Wagtmans was team manager of the Union amateur squad and asked his friend Motta to supply a couple of nice frames sets with Union decals.
Complete campagnolo equipped Union/Columbus bikes go for EUR 25.- to EUR 50.- nowadays.Free bump for John's Cornelo...
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Rini Wagtmans was team manager of the Union amateur squad and asked his friend Motta to supply a couple of nice frames sets with Union decals.
Complete campagnolo equipped Union/Columbus bikes go for EUR 25.- to EUR 50.- nowadays.Free bump for John's Cornelo...
Thanks for enlightening me! Free bump indeed.
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Thanks guys.........!
Nice story about the Union/Colnago relation in that days. Story sounds right to me. Note: i have that catalogue, such a Columbus Union and a Colnago Super wich are both in that particular catalogue.
Hopefully Dutch Cheese knows that there is a difference between the Columbus Union frames. Most have yellow with black lining transfers, just a few has black transfers and chromed fork crown. The last ones are hard to find and are more valuable then 25,-/50,- in a nice condition.
So now back to the Cornelo i guess?
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I raced in Holland in 1994/5.Cornelo's shop was on the Belgian side of the Dutch-Belgian town Putte-Kappellen.At one time they must have imported Tommasini frames as I can remember seeing a couple of blingy Tommasini lugged mountain bike frames!Bob Rasenburg a top criterium specialist rode a cornelo frame.I know in the seventies they sponsored a Dutch pro criterium team called jet star jeans.This team had some handy riders in the Dutch crit and Belgian Kermis scene.The bikes were styled like Colnago but used a ace of spades motif with pantographed components.
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