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hmmn - not sure about custom. i cant really afford it and i've got a couple of otp frames that i like a lot so not sold on the extra cost yet tbh.
thanks for the geometries sheet - i'd seen that already but wasn't sure how close the otp audax club would be to either the racers of the tourers, or maybe somewhere in the middle.
best thing would be to find someome with one in the size i'm thinking of and try it.