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Yeah, but a Look 496 weighs about the same, and it's crabon fribé. Weight of track racing frames is pretty irrelevant since everybody is bound by the UCI 6.8kg minimum. Oh, and the Steamroller is about 3kg for the frame/fork/headset, against 2.8 for the Visp.

Less gay than a Steamroller too. And since you're so concerned about weight, those racks on all those bikes that you jizz over don't make a bike any lighter either.

I will be at the track day this coming Saturday, with my Visp. Ed, if you're there I really want you to take a gander and realise what you're talking about before slating it, you too vinylvillain.

From the seller;

700Cx490 frame net weight is 1988 grams 700CX57CM freight net weight is 2200grams
according to Hippy link, the 56cm Surly weight 2,000g.

Just though it's odd to see an alu frame weight as much as a Steamroller.

From the seller;

according to Hippy link, the 56cm Surly weight 2,000g.

Just though it's odd to see an alu frame weight as much as a Steamroller.

That's not on the page you linked to. The 2.8kg report was.

What's more, it sounds like the number he's being quoted (in the quote you've just posted) is "freight" weight, not actual weight. I.e., frame (+ whatever else is includes [i.e. forks? HS? Although, I doubt it to be fair, at 2.2kg]), box, packaging materials, etc..

I have no idea how much a Visp weighs, and really don't care. The stats you've posted are not convincing though.

For a light race build, everything bar the frame/fork/headset comes to about 4.7kg, so a chassis weight under 2.1kg just means you're going to have to ballast it to pass scrutineering. Pros don't worry about these things, most of the top level track bikes are well over 6.8. IIRC, even Vicki P's sprint bike runs about 7.5kg.

BTW, is nobody going to comment on the bar angle on that Visp?

I will be at the track day this coming Saturday, with my Visp. Ed, if you're there I really want you to take a gander and realise what you're talking about before slating it, you too vinylvillain.

we love your bike, really, we do.

BTW, is nobody going to comment on the bar angle on that Visp?

I assumed it was for going up hills.

Does anyone know if this saddle actually came out? I think it was a Selle Italia, and at a trade show or something. It makes my Stripped SLR look positively sluggish.
Yes.

Another Unwanted Item On E'bay!.Wow,You could give An Itchy Arse a Right Raking with that!,couldn't you just?.Nice Seat Pillar & Very Neat Adjustment Mechanism.
Maybe the surface is to stop sliding around happening!;whilst bare-arsed.

New Feather...

650c track frame.

This is neat.A little 'Hetchins' esk.The lugwork also has a neat,not over-done look of Nervex from the 60's & 70's.

Nice Seat Pillar & Very Neat Adjustment Mechanism.

And very nice business for Selle Italia, who can now sell you a £150 seatpost alongside their expensive saddles.

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And very nice business for Selle Italia, who can now sell you a £150 seatpost alongside their expensive saddles.

Am I alone in thinking that all this X% increase in saddle adjustment is bollocks. I mean if you need more than the standard fore-aft adjustment, you either need to look at your positioning or get a different sized frame*.

(*unless your using the same for two different disiplins)

vinyvillan is just trying to wind me up. But I've said my piece about Visp bikes. And to be honest, anyone is welcome to come see mine, it's not heavy, it's not made of tin, it's a decent track frame. Hell anyone is welcome to take it for a spin if they don't believe me.

But it looks like a dog shat in a 5 year old Leader jig, and then got Paul Michell to alter teh geometry - case closed

actually around 1985. that bike is more fun with gears, but simpler quieter and able to bar spin without them. asking why it has gears is just stupid because the answer is obvious. It's so you don't have to push it up everything with an incline while also being able go down hills without spinning out. Its about as dumb as asking why others don't have gears. that answer is obvious too.

A bike with a saddle set so low that it can't be ridden properly makes gears pretty pointless, which is why I asked. Admittedly if the saddle was raised up then it could be ridden, but the saddles are low as they are and are clearly not setup to ride any distance, up any hills etc,. which I why I asked.

I'm sure this is more to your liking.

That must be the first time I've seen a bike that clashes with gravel.

BTW, is nobody going to comment on the bar angle on that Visp?

Was just reading through to see if anyone else had commented.

Re. weight. If I had to choose between a 2.8kg steel frame and a 3, possibly even 3.5 kg ali frame to ride on the track I'd choose ali everytime.
On the street, totally different but on the track you want stiffness not weight and i don't see many people passing comment on the stiffness of the Visp frames.
Probably because it's all armchair experts judging them on the looks and cost rather than concerning themselves with how they ride etc.

Is it really made as an out and out track frame though? (clue being I think it has holes for brakes!)

Less gay than a Steamroller too

try elaborating on this without sounding like more of an idiot than you already do.

Is it really made as an out and out track frame though? (clue being I think it has holes for brakes!)

Your gonna have to drill a lot more than 2 holes in it to make it less stiff than a similarly weighted steel frame.

Your gonna have to drill a lot more than 2 holes in it to make it less stiff than a similarly weighted steel frame.

That is not the point I was making. If it was an out and out track frame it would not be drilled. It is drilled therefore is aimed at road use.

That is not the point I was making. If it was an out and out track frame it would not be drilled. It is drilled therefore is aimed at road use.

I think to not drill a sub £200 track frame would be incredibly naive.
It's not a high end frame that's going to be babied by every owner, only used on the track, it's a cheap frame that will appeal to people who want :

1. an entry level track bike
   
2. a track-able bike that will be used for other things
   
3. to jump on the fixie bandwagon
   
4. to jump on the fixie style bandwagon with a singlespeed bike (and ride legally with 2 brakes)
   
5. a winter training fixed or singlespeed bike
   
6. a road legal(sensible ie 2 brakes) training bike to sit alongside a high end track only bike
   
   

Omit the brake drilling and you can pretty much totally exclude at least 4,5 and 6 and partially exclude 2 and 3.

That's a lot of potential market to throw away for the sake of brake drilling.

You are kidding, aren't you?

No, damn serious.
Pls tell me, what did I miss ?
Perhaps I misunderstood that Merckx bike.

I like Visps.

Bought a road frame (Kristall, I think it was branded) from the same seller and am building it with mostly older Tiagra. Will do fine as my method of transportation to the office and back. Ugly as hell, but for 140 or so dorrah (shipping included) I am quite pleased with the purchase.

And I'd rather get a Visp to bang around than use my Principia as my everyday ride.

Add a carbon fork and I do believe a Visp will serve you well. Okay, if the damn thing falls apart under you, it is shit. But if it holds together and gets you to bars and back -- or acts as it should on the track -- well, where's the damn problem?

I do like Steamrollers, too.

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