London Cycle Hire

http://www.oobrien.com/vis/bikes/

Just saw this too, it's awesome. Although I am a bit of a map geek...

*any one got WAC stickers left? we could let hippy get to work on making a hireable cunster

dons balaclava

Sorry Tommy.

Tried to hire a bike yesterday from behind Selfridges around 5.30pm. My key fob was declined repeatedly.

Me too. I gave up, especially since I was just being lazy and wanting to ride from St Mary Axe to Wormwood St!

who do you bank with then? make sure you have no connections to "unethical" dealings? puh-leez, even riding a bike is contributing to environmenal degradation from the mines and energy required o extract ore, your supermarket exploits cheap labour, your clothes are made by children, your computer uses rare metals from mines that would raise an eyebrow on the face of the hardest businessman etc etc. get over it.

+1

Not only do I not have a problem with the sponsership itself (I would happily take the McDonalds Central line, or go shopping on a Nike branded Oxford street, if it made those things better/cheaper), or who the sponser is, I am a lifelong Barclays customer. I couldn't give a fuck what they do, I just care they give me good service, and low levels of interest on my debt.

I would happily take the McDonalds Central line, or go shopping on a Nike branded Oxford street, if it made those things better/cheaper

I might happily do so too, but this is an assumption. It isn't that trivial. That's all I'm gonna say.

I might happily do so too, but this is an assumption. It isn't that trivial. That's all I'm gonna say.

So are you suggesting that it would be the same price with or without the sponsorship?
Or are you suggesting that everybody in London pays a slightly higher council tax so that we can replace the sponsorship with a higher subsidy?

C'mon and speak up, what do you have to say?

I've already said what I've got to say previously in the thread.

ok

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I might happily do so too, but this is an assumption. It isn't that trivial. That's all I'm gonna say.

+1
There are v.complex issues involved. The best choice isn't necessarily the cheapest. 'Better' can obviously mean different things to different people, non?
Or, maybe that's wrong and it's really very simple?

Or, maybe that's wrong and it's really very simple?

Yes, it's quite simple; simple

Yes, it's quite simple; simple

Not really. You pay for something you get a say in how it's run.

Not really. You pay for something you get a say in how it's run.

Are you on crack tonight?

Not really. You pay for something you get a say in how it's run.

Who said what now?

Not really. You pay for something you get a say in how it's run.

If that were a universal truth, there would be no taxation without representation. In the real world, a sponsorship deal can include a negotiation over administrative influence, but frequently this is not an issue; sponsors buy in to a plan which is already decided, without seeking to alter it in any way.

I agree. I didn't mean it was a universal truth, I was talking generally, not specifically about the barclays sponsorship, which seems hands off.

I was responding to your statement that it doesn't matter where money comes from, which you also said as if it were a universal truth.

You might say that you said it doesn't matter where money comes from, as if you thought it were a universal truth.

Pecunia non olet means that the value of money is independent of its source. If it comes with other baggage, such as an implied or explicit quid pro quo, that might be a good or a bad thing but it doesn't change the value of the money.

Vespasian, to whom 'pecunia non olet' is attributed, was said to be easily the most avaricious of ‘The Twelve Caesars’.

pedant mode

Ok, to paraphrase: "Yes, It's quite simple, [the value of money is independent of its source]"

It's the "it's quite simple" I disagree with, for the reasons you state "If it comes with other baggage, such as an implied or explicit quid pro quo, that might be a good or a bad thing"

You guys are really sucking the marrow out of this. It's about this:

Not this:

So are you suggesting that it would be the same price with or without the sponsorship?
Or are you suggesting that everybody in London pays a slightly higher council tax so that we can replace the sponsorship with a higher subsidy?

C'mon and speak up, what do you have to say?

+1
There are v.complex issues involved. The best choice isn't necessarily the cheapest. 'Better' can obviously mean different things to different people, non?
Or, maybe that's wrong and it's really very simple?

If that were a universal truth, there would be no taxation without representation. In the real world, a sponsorship deal can include a negotiation over administrative influence, but frequently this is not an issue; sponsors buy in to a plan which is already decided, without seeking to alter it in any way.

zzzzzzz.

The crux of this argument is that nobody has come up with any credible evidence of any material baggage. You may find it distasteful to have London cycling facilities emblazoned with Barclays' name, but they don't seem to have either sought or obtained any influence over the design or implementation of either the hire bikes or the superhighways.

Yes I don't like the barclays thing, but this is a different point, and was all in response to post 667. He said he'd be happy with anything being sponsored if it made it better. All I said was that private contribution doesn't automatically mean a better outcome. That was all I said.

I see your points mdcc tester, I don't disagree

Then I end up having to clarify everything twice, derailing shit further. I know it's tiresome but I can't help it. Sorry.

You guys are really sucking the marrow out of this. It's about this:

also doing tricks on them

yes, tricks: no tricks on hire bikes, no talk.

unless you get sponsored for doing them

derailing shit further. I know it's tiresome but I can't help it. Sorry.

No need to apologise, I doubt that too many people are riding them just now. I'm sure we'll be back on topic after the sun comes up.