I'll make you famous (or Adidas will)

Kevin, do yourself a favour and read with understanding.

What he means is, there will always be a group of people who want to "feel smug" therefore unethical. Same people who buy ivory products and alligator belts.

I dont think he meant that at all. Reading back over it again, and his response, it seems to me he is saying that people buy ethical products out of desire to lord it over those who dont.

But anyway. if its not about feeling smug then why dose your argument come acorss as smug?

Thats purely a perception on your part - its absolutely impossible to judge that from internet postings, you have no idea of the tone, intonation, paralanguage etc of my comments. I'm not really sure how one could convey smugness over the internet...

I'm not sharing your faith in graphic designers as the saviours of humankind two generations from now.

I'm not sharing your faith in graphic designers as the saviours of humankind two generations from now.

:OD

Can we all just go back to mindless "work-avoidance" please? At this rate I might as well log out and actually do my job.

I dont think he meant that at all. Reading back over it again, and his response, it seems to me he is saying that people buy ethical products out of desire to lord it over those who dont.

nope, i meant people buy it gives them a self satisfied feeling of knowing somehow there better, IE smugm, in the same way people buy expensive things as it makes them feel better then you.

Thats purely a perception on your part - its absolutely impossible to judge that from internet postings, you have no idea of the tone, intonation, paralanguage etc of my comments. I'm not really sure how one could convey smugness over the internet...

I'm not sharing your faith in graphic designers as the saviours of humankind two generations from now.

this is true, but to me it read as smugness, hence why i said it, its the same reason why you assumed i read the daily mail,

and i didn't specify graphic designers, i said designers, witch is a catch all term for all the people in the process's of bring a product to the market, be it product design, car design, people who work in the development of better plastics etc, packaging, things like that, My point being that if a product is designed properly then its better, if 100% of it can be reused and recycled its better and its the current crop of new 'designers' who will bring that through gradually.

I'll know the fuckwits have won when the Thule roofboxes start to appear on gun-metal grey Audis...

Are you trying to make fun of my roof box now?

I once ordered a box of mixed organic veg, only because I was fed up with shrink wrapped cucumbers and carrots in my local Tesco and wanted to support local farmers.
Quickly gave up that bullshit - it was all overpriced, squashed and shrivelled up. Once they delivered perfectly flat brie cheese under a ripped brown bag of courgettes.

Now I prefer to go to the turkish shop where all the veg and fruit I need for the whole family for a week cost me less then a tenner.

Im not farming cows. It's gonna be organic vegetables that I will sell for an extortionate amount to yummy mummies in Stoke Newington.

I can hook you up with one if you want?

What, a yummy mummy?

I can hook you up with one if you want?
A cow, or a yummy mummy?

Dibs on the latter.

Not fast enough.

@Balki - yes.

Pics?

ah. so it's not andy ponder, it's andy pimp.

A cow, or a yummy mummy?

Dibs on the latter.

Not fast enough.

I'll take a milking cow.

I'll have a shake.

I'll have a cow bike

I dont think he meant that at all. Reading back over it again, and his response, it seems to me he is saying that people buy ethical products out of desire to lord it over those who dont.
I think the point is that "ethics" and "authenticity" just becomes another strand of marketing and branding. Way back when, these were the twin appeals of Starbucks innit.

Personally, I think it is right to question those that use emotive and populist appeals about the rights of people in far-off places. We do know somewhere along the line things are a little bit more complex than often put, particularly when the argument is no more sophisticated than "big company = bad". This line of thinking, popularised by that myth-maker Naomi Klein, really has sent much of the left down a very blind alley.

Throughout my researches, I've only ever come up with one hard and fast conclusion: everything Naomi Klein has ever written is either wrong, ignorant or originally researched by someone else.

FYI Guardian company policy is to sack its sub editors a day before they receive full employment rights and re-employ them the next day.

/bitter hack

In the true spirit of Blair (whose tax affairs are hilariously complex and obfuscated) they're also ultimately owned by a Cayman Islands trust IIRC.

Clean shaven / Urban style = fail

I dont think he meant that at all.

He's a cunt then.

The only time this statement is true, is when the smug ones try to buy ethical/organic/fair trade/eco friendly products only to be smug and show off the fact, they're too good to go to the local market, because they'd be robbed of their Aquamaster watches and their hybrid Lexus 4x4 scratched up...

Clean shaven / Urban style = fail

+1

There's no time to shave when you need to search for crack.

I got a callback. Casting tomorrow.

get in there you smallfooted urban 20yr old

I think the point is that "ethics" and "authenticity" just becomes another strand of marketing and branding. Way back when, these were the twin appeals of Starbucks innit.

Personally, I think it is right to question those that use emotive and populist appeals about the rights of people in far-off places. We do know somewhere along the line things are a little bit more complex than often put, particularly when the argument is no more sophisticated than "big company = bad". This line of thinking, popularised by that myth-maker Naomi Klein, really has sent much of the left down a very blind alley.

this is precisely what i was going for, but put better.

He's a cunt then.

i am, its completely true

I got a callback. Casting tomorrow.

Is there a pic of you in names & faces?

Im intrigued to know what they were actually after.

Not everyone has the ability to choose where they work. That doens't mean that nike, adidas or any other corporate has the right to exploit people.

cyclotron3k, it is sadly because these people (often children) have no alternative that they are capable of being exploited.

Ok, so I forgot about this thread for a while...

Please don't judge me, but I genuinely don't understand this argument. They can chose not to work there, right? Was it worse or better before the sweatshop was built?

I got a callback. Casting tomorrow.

So what happened? Any scenes from Pulp Fiction....you got roofied[sic]?