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oh wow, thanks... I will have a look around on those. Ideally I want a zoom one, i use it a lot for in camera effects so need a little bit of variation. (not to start the whole prime lens vs zoom debate...) but that is really great. I've been looking at the Sigma 10-20 or 10-17, but a bit pricey at the moment so shame. but yeah, thanks loads. definitely going to check those out!