Epic fail

Works pretty well for him :

Just realised that in that second video the cow isnt actually being killed, they just stunned it using one of these, a captive bolt pistol.
Why stun it then kill it? Why not just save time a kill it sans stun?

Evidently, stuning hurts less, and is quicker

What?
Killing it with a shot to the head would be quicker than stunning it first and then killing it.

Thought the captive pistol did kill it?

Actually it mightve killed it looking at it again. I just thought that those bolt pistols were only for stunning.

I just thought that those bolt pistols were only for stunning.

They are. The animal dies from blood loss after being hung up by the ankles and having its throat cut.

Sounds very peaceful, thats how Id like to go I think.

Well, any epitaph which doesn't end with "...before turning the gun on himself" is OK

They are. The animal dies from blood loss after being hung up by the ankles and having its throat cut.

Are you talking about standard slaughter or halal/kosher?

Less slaughtering of animals, more fail

bit longwinded..

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdZueuQuQu

bit longwinded..

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdZueuQuQu

Got bored.
Wanna summarise it?

Are you talking about standard slaughter or halal/kosher?

Both - the only difference is the lack of pre-stunning in Halal practice.

on the topic on animal slaughter, this is the closest i've found to "normal" practise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxdQKvp-S0Q

apart from the other animals being terrified because they can see others being killed, it doesn't seem that bad. i'm not a vet, but the twitching probably occurs whilst the animals are unconscious. death is always going to be nasty.

i think i could (and would try it if i could) slaughter meat that i eat, but couldn't do it for a job.

Ive helped slaughter a bull before, had it around for a couple weeks before the chop. I love cows, such sweet gentle creatures.

But I'm a total meat lover, so I thought I better join in. It was exactly how I expected, big animal so difficult to control and calm. Lots of heavy choking/groaning/spluttering after the "cut". Just looked so tragic, but just like when you see animals get caught by natural predators like Lions. So there is a evolutionary precedent/expectation for that sort of end. So I like to think that it isnt as traumatic for the animal as it seems. Definetely think its better than getting stunned before hand. And the ritual of manual human controlled slaughter, is definetely a respect that animals deserve.

I think bolt guns are terrible! But gassing, which they now do on turkeys is probably worth looking at more.

I never actually eat beef though, mainly mutton/year old lamb. I could totally slaughter one of those, so much smaller and controllable. I can imagine them "going" a lot more peacefully too.

Sheep have a great lifestyle in the UK too. Grass fed year round, heaps of space, living on big fields, woodland and mountains. Its idyllic as you could imagine. Free range as standard!

They should definetely slaughter them closer to where they come from though.

YouTube- UK SLAUGHTERHOUSE 2009

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Crikey, just seen that. I would consider that rather bad. Animals can be more aware than you might think, those sheep would be terrified!

Non-stun killing would actually insure that more care was put into handling the animal. Halal rules wouldnt allow the animals to see anything happening before them either. I live by a slaughter house, where they qeue sheep up and walk them into the biulding one by one. So I know that this rule is being practiced in at least some places.

Ive seen british kosher slaughter on the telly, they didnt have any machines at all. Each animal was put into position by hand, on a sort of headrest to keep it still. Seemed to be a lot of care put into it.

Halal/Kosher rules are at the end of the day, mostly about animal care. There are rules about keeping/feeding the animals with natural grazing. And a method of slaughter which is thought to be the least painful or frightening for the animal.

The stun-clamp things are clearly not that effective. It seems to often take more than one go to knock an animal out. Imagine getting repeatedly tasered in the head! A farmer once told me that sheep easily get heart attacks, so I imagine this could actually do that and cause loads of discomfort.

Coming from a 3 generations of butchers in my family, who cultivated, slaughtered and sold the meat, the concept of halal is tosh.

Have you done this yourself? Prior to my generation, everyone has raised and slaughtered their own animals. A stun-free method of slaughter seems to work just as well. The stunning just seems to give an opportunity for the abbotoir staff to be lazy and rough with the animals.

I actually remember reading in new scientist, that they had tested and found out, that blood will drain from an animal just as quickly when stunned. So this cannot be used as an excuse for non-stunning. I think it just seems a little uncessary and prone to abuse.

I extremely dislike how animals are treated like this and wish that the world would wake up and see that if animals are going to be food consider it's a being with emotion and pain, and execute the animal with little suffer and trauma as possible.

I like to think that I could go Vegetarian, and maybe someday I will, but I like meat too much. I only really eat Poultry and some Pork, but only will eat anything else if it's cooked for me. I'm not too keen on tough meat such as Beef.

Did anyone watch Kill it, Cook it, Eat it? I think that's what it was called...

Someone said to me, "If you're not prepared to kill it, you shouldn't eat it". Which I strongly agree.

I'm not too keen on tough meat such as Beef.

If your beef is tough, somebody is cooking it wrong.

I could murder a bacon sarnie.

Sometimes, the cows fight back
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New thread maybe?

New thread maybe?

Getting head butted by a bullock not an epic enough fail for you?

To me they are both silly beefs.

fixed, end, new thread, more fails please.

Definetely think its better than getting stunned before hand. And the ritual of manual human controlled slaughter, is definetely a respect that animals deserve.

I think bolt guns are terrible! But gassing, which they now do on turkeys is probably worth looking at more.

why is stunning bad? done correctly, the animal goes from conscious to unconscious in an instant, rather than feeling the blade go into their neck and waiting for the blood pressure to fall so they pass out. yes, it looks nasty, but a lot of the movement is the animal having a seizure when unconscious.

Crikey, just seen that. I would consider that rather bad. Animals can be more aware than you might think, those sheep would be terrified!

thus the get out clause that i put in.

Halal/Kosher rules are at the end of the day, mostly about animal care. There are rules about keeping/feeding the animals with natural grazing. And a method of slaughter which is thought to be the least painful or frightening for the animal.

did you watch the video(s)? in the case of kosher, it was ruled that a second cut that is commonly done to rip out the trachea is abuse. and i think at the end of the day halal/kosher rules are mostly about fear of punishment from some magical sky-wizard who is ready to dole out genocide and mass rape, but actually, really really loves you and gives a fuck about how you kill your little sheep (but never pigs!) after a nice day of ethnic cleansing.

[not a comment on palestine, referencing this in bible 1 Samuel 15:2-3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." and this in qu'ran "Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5"]

The stun-clamp things are clearly not that effective. It seems to often take more than one go to knock an animal out. Imagine getting repeatedly tasered in the head! A farmer once told me that sheep easily get heart attacks, so I imagine this could actually do that and cause loads of discomfort.

some electrical stunners are designed to cause heart attacks, as well as render the animal unconscious.

This is fucking grim dudes.