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@Amaz'in
Hi Camden,
'Ron Cooper = king of frame makers, period, fuck Colnago, just Euro-Jewellery!'
You hit the nail on the head there...alway's wanted to say it...but thought I could get seriously flamed for it...even though it's just my opinion...(and yours too).
I have a couple of Italians's here...but am going to part with them...generally Italian frames don't do it for me...never understood the Colnago thing...or Cinelli etc for that matter...real early stuff maybe...when they 'actually' made the frames with their name on.
Who would buy a rembrandt if it was his understudy who actaully painted it?
Cooper..Hurlow..etc..made every single one of their frames.
The art in a frame...for me..is either perfect fillet brazing...or superbly handcut lugs..beautifully thinned etc...not just pressed ones covered in Chrome or fancy paint...but that's just me and you maybe?
Always drives me nut's when you talk of top end English Builders and the first name to spurt from many people's mouths is..HETCHINS...like no one else existed... yet Cooper/Hurlow/Philbrook/Ephgrave and a whole bunch equalled or exceeded Hetchins work....I met Ken Janes who used to cut lugs for Hetch...but for many others too.
I must admit I don't think too much of the uber simple and plain lugs on French frames...but i love the innovation..by the likes of Herse...Singer etc.
James